[Magdalen] Texas was / Re: EC v. ED of Ft. Worth

Tue Oct 21 16:28:19 UTC 2014

As bad as Abbott is going to be as Gov, Dan Patrick as Lt. Gov. is going to
be even worse!
On Oct 21, 2014 11:24 AM, "Jay Weigel" <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:

> If Greg Abbott is elected, he is going to do to Texas what Sam Brownback
> has done to Kansas.....only it's going to be worse, because Texas is
> bigger.
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <ichthys89 at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > and while filibustering in the TX state house, there is no sitting, no
> > leaning on furniture, no potty breaks either... unlike the 'creative' way
> > the US government has redesigned filibustering in recent years... now, I
> > think people don't even have to be there....
> >
> > Lynn
> >
> > website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
> >
> > When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have
> not
> > a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave
> me."
> > attributed to Erma Bombeck
> >
> > Thomas Merton writes, “People may spend their whole lives climbing the
> > ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top, that the ladder
> is
> > leaning against the wrong wall.”
> >
> > "What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Roland Orr" <roland at orr55.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:07 AM
> > To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Texas was / Re: EC v. ED of Ft. Worth
> >
> >  Very comfortable!
> >> Roland
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 21/10/2014 17:04, Jay Weigel wrote:
> >>
> >>> Roland, it's because during her 13 1/2 hour filibuster (a remarkable
> feat
> >>> in itself) against a restrictive anti-abortion law the Texas
> legislature
> >>> was attempting to pass--and eventually did, but not on that
> occasion--she
> >>> wore pink running shoes.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Roland Orr <roland at orr55.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Wendy-pink-shoes - could she not wear blue shoes?
> >>>> Any more info??
> >>>> Roland
> >>>> UK
> >>>> who attended Ike's first election
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 21/10/2014 16:01, Lynn Ronkainen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  (regarding different states)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As a resident of TX, I am ever mindful that it is not easy to just
> 'up
> >>>>> and move', when the state one lives in becomes an anathema to one's
> >>>>> self...  It is near impossible to distance one's self from the
> >>>>> governmental
> >>>>> policies enshrined under our current governor of 14 years. I'm voting
> >>>>> early
> >>>>> (and I wish often <g>) this week but the possibility of changing
> >>>>> leadership
> >>>>> parties in this state, in this election cycle, is doubtful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Those who must be obeyed keep chanting that the 'majority' of Texans
> >>>>> did
> >>>>> this or that (voted this way or that way), but in fact only 18% of
> our
> >>>>> population voted in the last general election! Our policies do not
> >>>>> really
> >>>>> represent the 'will' of the people, but sadly, I don't see it
> changing
> >>>>> much
> >>>>> either. It is my hope that as people rush here for jobs, and we do
> have
> >>>>> them and that is happening, that they bring a different social
> >>>>> consciousness with them and slowly turn things around.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My real fear is that if the current Attorney General (second in
> command
> >>>>> to governor) is elected governor, the same old, same old will just
> >>>>> escalate
> >>>>> here - the only problem is that our state government is truly a case
> >>>>> of the
> >>>>> Emperor's new state/new clothes, and I'm not sure how many more years
> >>>>> it
> >>>>> can sustain itself without substance, and without imploding.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wendy-pink-shoes is very probably not going to get elected, but I can
> >>>>> hope. And vote.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lynn
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I
> have
> >>>>> not a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You
> >>>>> gave
> >>>>> me." attributed to Erma Bombeck
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thomas Merton writes, “People may spend their whole lives climbing
> the
> >>>>> ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top, that the
> >>>>> ladder is
> >>>>> leaning against the wrong wall.”
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> From: "Jay Weigel" <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:58 AM
> >>>>> To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] EC v. ED of Ft. Worth
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   Um, Grace, that's the case in SC.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Sometimes I think the solution for Texas is to pull all our federal
> >>>>>> funds
> >>>>>> and military bases, build a fence on the northern border, secede
> from
> >>>>>> them,
> >>>>>> and offer unconditional amnesty to all Texans wishing to be in the
> >>>>>> real
> >>>>>> U.S. of A. /snark off
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Roy Murphy <roy.murphy at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   The title of the case is odd from our point of view. It is TEC v.
> >>>>>> Jack
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Iker
> >>>>>>> et al. I believe the titling of the case was changed by the Iker
> >>>>>>> faction in
> >>>>>>> the appeals process.
> >>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2014 11:09 PM, "Grace Cangialosi" <gracecan at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  I'm still confused. You said the conservatives 'left, wanting to
> >>>>>>>> take
> >>>>>>>> everything' and the Supreme Court of Texas gave it back to them.
> >>>>>>>> So, in other words, they got to take everything?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Why is the Episcopal Church suing the Episcopal Diocese? Aren't
> they
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> the same side? I would think the Episcopal Church or Diocese would
> >>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> suing
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> the breakaway folks...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  On Oct 20, 2014, at 6:00 PM, "Lynn Ronkainen" <
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ichthys89 at comcast.net>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The conservatives 'left' wanting to 'take everything'.... the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> SCourt > > of
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> TX gave it back to them... it's still not settled as you can see.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The > TX
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> SCourt still fancies that TX is a Republic, IMNSHO...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Lynn
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that
> I >
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> not a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything
> >>>>>>>> You
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> gave
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> me." attributed to Erma Bombeck
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thomas Merton writes, "People may spend their whole lives
> climbing
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top, that the
> >
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ladder
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> leaning against the wrong wall."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>> From: "Grace Cangialosi" <gracecan at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:54 PM
> >>>>>>>>> To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] EC v. ED of Ft. Worth
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  So is this Episcopal Church vs. Episcopal Diocese? Which group
> are
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> good guys?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 5:26 PM, Roy Murphy <roy.murphy at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The Episcopal church won in the state district court and the >
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> appeals
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> court
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> but the TX Supreme Court ruled in favor of the former bishop of
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ft.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Worth.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> TEC appealed to SCOTUS. The brief is not a bad argument. It has
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> already
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> gotten a few amicus curae briefs in support.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> SCOTUS hasn't yet decided whether to grant cert on the case.
> The
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> justices
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> will discuss it on 12/31 and decide whether to hear the case,
> deny
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> request they hear it or hold it over for another conference.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2014 12:26 PM, "Jay Weigel" <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Huh? Details, please.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Roy Murphy > >>>>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> roy.murphy at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court docket says the case was distributed for the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 10/31
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> conference. We could hear further news on 11/1. Either grant, >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> deny
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> relist.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>
>