[Magdalen] Texas was / Re: EC v. ED of Ft. Worth

Tue Oct 21 16:37:24 UTC 2014

(That comment came from something a Texan friend cone said to me when I
said "Oklahoma sucks." She replied, "Yeah, but it keeps Kansas from
crashing into us!")

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:

> And apparently a lot of people in Texas are incapable of looking north and
> seeing what happens when people like this get control of the government.
> Must be because Oklahoma is in the way.
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Rick Mashburn <ricklmashburn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> As bad as Abbott is going to be as Gov, Dan Patrick as Lt. Gov. is going
>> to
>> be even worse!
>> On Oct 21, 2014 11:24 AM, "Jay Weigel" <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > If Greg Abbott is elected, he is going to do to Texas what Sam Brownback
>> > has done to Kansas.....only it's going to be worse, because Texas is
>> > bigger.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <ichthys89 at comcast.net
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > and while filibustering in the TX state house, there is no sitting, no
>> > > leaning on furniture, no potty breaks either... unlike the 'creative'
>> way
>> > > the US government has redesigned filibustering in recent years...
>> now, I
>> > > think people don't even have to be there....
>> > >
>> > > Lynn
>> > >
>> > > website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>> > >
>> > > When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have
>> > not
>> > > a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave
>> > me."
>> > > attributed to Erma Bombeck
>> > >
>> > > Thomas Merton writes, “People may spend their whole lives climbing the
>> > > ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top, that the
>> ladder
>> > is
>> > > leaning against the wrong wall.”
>> > >
>> > > "What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi
>> > >
>> > > --------------------------------------------------
>> > > From: "Roland Orr" <roland at orr55.org>
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:07 AM
>> > > To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>> > > Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Texas was / Re: EC v. ED of Ft. Worth
>> > >
>> > >  Very comfortable!
>> > >> Roland
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 21/10/2014 17:04, Jay Weigel wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Roland, it's because during her 13 1/2 hour filibuster (a remarkable
>> > feat
>> > >>> in itself) against a restrictive anti-abortion law the Texas
>> > legislature
>> > >>> was attempting to pass--and eventually did, but not on that
>> > occasion--she
>> > >>> wore pink running shoes.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Roland Orr <roland at orr55.org>
>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>  Wendy-pink-shoes - could she not wear blue shoes?
>> > >>>> Any more info??
>> > >>>> Roland
>> > >>>> UK
>> > >>>> who attended Ike's first election
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On 21/10/2014 16:01, Lynn Ronkainen wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>  (regarding different states)
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> As a resident of TX, I am ever mindful that it is not easy to just
>> > 'up
>> > >>>>> and move', when the state one lives in becomes an anathema to
>> one's
>> > >>>>> self...  It is near impossible to distance one's self from the
>> > >>>>> governmental
>> > >>>>> policies enshrined under our current governor of 14 years. I'm
>> voting
>> > >>>>> early
>> > >>>>> (and I wish often <g>) this week but the possibility of changing
>> > >>>>> leadership
>> > >>>>> parties in this state, in this election cycle, is doubtful.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Those who must be obeyed keep chanting that the 'majority' of
>> Texans
>> > >>>>> did
>> > >>>>> this or that (voted this way or that way), but in fact only 18% of
>> > our
>> > >>>>> population voted in the last general election! Our policies do not
>> > >>>>> really
>> > >>>>> represent the 'will' of the people, but sadly, I don't see it
>> > changing
>> > >>>>> much
>> > >>>>> either. It is my hope that as people rush here for jobs, and we do
>> > have
>> > >>>>> them and that is happening, that they bring a different social
>> > >>>>> consciousness with them and slowly turn things around.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> My real fear is that if the current Attorney General (second in
>> > command
>> > >>>>> to governor) is elected governor, the same old, same old will just
>> > >>>>> escalate
>> > >>>>> here - the only problem is that our state government is truly a
>> case
>> > >>>>> of the
>> > >>>>> Emperor's new state/new clothes, and I'm not sure how many more
>> years
>> > >>>>> it
>> > >>>>> can sustain itself without substance, and without imploding.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Wendy-pink-shoes is very probably not going to get elected, but I
>> can
>> > >>>>> hope. And vote.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Lynn
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I
>> > have
>> > >>>>> not a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything
>> You
>> > >>>>> gave
>> > >>>>> me." attributed to Erma Bombeck
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Thomas Merton writes, “People may spend their whole lives climbing
>> > the
>> > >>>>> ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top, that the
>> > >>>>> ladder is
>> > >>>>> leaning against the wrong wall.”
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> "What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>> > >>>>> From: "Jay Weigel" <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
>> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:58 AM
>> > >>>>> To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] EC v. ED of Ft. Worth
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>   Um, Grace, that's the case in SC.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Sometimes I think the solution for Texas is to pull all our
>> federal
>> > >>>>>> funds
>> > >>>>>> and military bases, build a fence on the northern border, secede
>> > from
>> > >>>>>> them,
>> > >>>>>> and offer unconditional amnesty to all Texans wishing to be in
>> the
>> > >>>>>> real
>> > >>>>>> U.S. of A. /snark off
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Roy Murphy <
>> roy.murphy at gmail.com>
>> > >>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>   The title of the case is odd from our point of view. It is TEC
>> v.
>> > >>>>>> Jack
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Iker
>> > >>>>>>> et al. I believe the titling of the case was changed by the Iker
>> > >>>>>>> faction in
>> > >>>>>>> the appeals process.
>> > >>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2014 11:09 PM, "Grace Cangialosi" <
>> gracecan at gmail.com>
>> > >>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>  I'm still confused. You said the conservatives 'left, wanting
>> to
>> > >>>>>>>> take
>> > >>>>>>>> everything' and the Supreme Court of Texas gave it back to
>> them.
>> > >>>>>>>> So, in other words, they got to take everything?
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Why is the Episcopal Church suing the Episcopal Diocese? Aren't
>> > they
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> on
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> the same side? I would think the Episcopal Church or Diocese
>> would
>> > >>>>>>>> be
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> suing
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> the breakaway folks...
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>  On Oct 20, 2014, at 6:00 PM, "Lynn Ronkainen" <
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> ichthys89 at comcast.net>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> The conservatives 'left' wanting to 'take everything'.... the
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> SCourt > > of
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> TX gave it back to them... it's still not settled as you can
>> see.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> The > TX
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> SCourt still fancies that TX is a Republic, IMNSHO...
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Lynn
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope
>> that
>> > I >
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> have
>> > >>>>>>>> not a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used
>> everything
>> > >>>>>>>> You
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> gave
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> me." attributed to Erma Bombeck
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Thomas Merton writes, "People may spend their whole lives
>> > climbing
>> > >>>>>>>>> the
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top, that
>> the
>> > >
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> ladder
>> > >>>>>>> is
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> leaning against the wrong wall."
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> "What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>> > >>>>>>>>> From: "Grace Cangialosi" <gracecan at gmail.com>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:54 PM
>> > >>>>>>>>> To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] EC v. ED of Ft. Worth
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>  So is this Episcopal Church vs. Episcopal Diocese? Which
>> group
>> > are
>> > >>>>>>>>>> the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> good guys?
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 5:26 PM, Roy Murphy <roy.murphy at gmail.com
>> >
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> The Episcopal church won in the state district court and the >
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> appeals
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> court
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> but the TX Supreme Court ruled in favor of the former bishop
>> of
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Ft.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Worth.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> TEC appealed to SCOTUS. The brief is not a bad argument. It
>> has
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> already
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> gotten a few amicus curae briefs in support.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> SCOTUS hasn't yet decided whether to grant cert on the case.
>> > The
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> justices
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> will discuss it on 12/31 and decide whether to hear the case,
>> > deny
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> the
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> request they hear it or hold it over for another conference.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2014 12:26 PM, "Jay Weigel" <
>> jay.weigel at gmail.com>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Huh? Details, please.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Roy Murphy > >>>>> <
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> roy.murphy at gmail.com
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court docket says the case was distributed for the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 10/31
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> conference. We could hear further news on 11/1. Either grant, >
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> deny
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> or
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> relist.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>
>> >
>>
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