[Magdalen] Bishop Cook: Another unfortunate piece of the story

[Lynn Ronkainen]

>Particularly after one of the chief beneficiaries -- remember the name 
>Welsh? --  invented the process of pasteurizing Grape Juice.

a staunch Methodist who actually developed the process so grape juice could 
be used at (his) church/denomination

L

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From: "Jim Guthrie" <jguthrie at pipeline.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 2:01 PM
To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Bishop Cook: Another unfortunate piece of the story

> From: ME Michaud
>
>>It makes sense historically. Most of the early American Protestant
>>churches were proudly pro-Temperance, then rabidly Prohibitionist.
>
> Well,mostly post Civil War.
>
>>And anti-immigrant, too, so the home consumption of wine made
>>them flinch. Many Protestants "signed the pledge," promising never
>
> And given the terrible working conditions of the time and the jobs 
> immigrants typically could take, the corner saloon was about the only 
> recreation available.
>
>>to drink any alcohol ever. Our cousins the Methodists were frontrunners.
>
> Particularly after one of the chief beneficiaries -- remember the name 
> Welsh? --  invented the process of pasteurizing Grape Juice.
>
>>Episcopalians were more urban & urbane, tended to have traveled
>>outside the USA, and had a much more relaxed attitude about alcohol
>>consumption.
>
> Hardly. They might drink (like the Saudi Princes sipping their Scotch 
> behind closed doors) but the Gilded Age Episcopalians believed that 
> alcohol reduced production, and therefor lowered profits.
>
> But one of the realities of American life at the time was that excise 
> taxes on booze supported much of the Federal (and state) governments 
> during the gilded age (tariffs were the other major source of revenue). 
> One of the things the temperance crowd had to do was to get the Sixteenth 
> Amendment passed -- an income tax to replace the taxes on alcoholic 
> beverages.
>
> The other thing they needed was to make sure voters would not overturn the 
> Eighteenth Amendment -- so came the Nineteenth Amendment, assuming that 
> Women would always vote against alcohol. I realize that there's a lot of 
> romantic notions about Women's Suffrage, but the fact is that it was a 
> cold and calculated move to ensure liquor would be forever banned. Even 
> the moguls ended up supporting it as a way to keep their wage salves 
> working hard and not slowing down due to drink -- enhanced profits was a 
> major reason for the Nineteenth Amendment.
>
> The narrative on repeal of the Eighteenth amendment generally ignores the 
> reality -- the moguls (1%ers?) of the time hated the Graduated Income Tax 
> and thought repeal would put excise taxes back so as to tax the lower 
> classes and save them from the income tax.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim Guthrie
>
>
> That history of tolerance has come back to bite us.
> -M
>
> BTW, one of my friends had to explain to a hard-partying young fellow
> that: if he showed up drunk at his wedding, my friend wouldn't marry him.
> The young man squawked, so my friend explained that it was not because
> it would be unseemly, but because he wouldn't be able to make his vows
> unless he was sober. The bride listened. The groom arrived sober. Roger's
> point makes sense over here, too. And not a bad modeling of responsible
> behavior at a crucial time in this young man's life, either.
>
> On Wednesday, February 4, 2015, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Sally,
>> I was speaking of The Episcopal Church.  Having grown up an Episcopalian 
>> in
>> SC, and having my best friend's father removed as our parish priest for
>> galloping alcoholism,
>>
>