[Magdalen] BSA

[H Angus]

Whenever women get into a previously all-male field, the prestige and pay of that field drops, and men start looking for the higher P&P jobs. Consider teaching, 100 years ago. All male. Now almost all teachers are women, but the *administrator* and *superintendent* jobs -- almost all male.

High-pay jobs in the computer industry are pretty well dominated by males, and dominated is the word: some high-prestige males ferociously resist any female incursion into the high-prestige code realms. Surely none of this is news to anyone.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stokes" <roger.stokes65 at btinternet.com>
To: magdalen at herberthouse.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Magdalen] BSA

On 28/07/2015 18:55, Cantor03--- via Magdalen wrote:
> This discussion about boys to Girl Scouts, and girls to Boy Scouts
> reminds about the information I've seen over the past couple of  decades
> regarding activities and organizations that in the past have been one  sex
> (often male) only.
>   
> Some say that this has affected the church scene as well.
>   
> Some studies have been purported to show that when "traditional"
> boys activities such as being altar servers are opened to both
> sexes, there is a lapsing of interest for boys.

The same argument has been used in regard to church choirs, that when 
girls are admitted boys drift away.  A complicating factor here is that 
girls may well be allowed to stay in the choir beyoind the age at which 
boys' voices break so the girls can deliver greater power at the higher 
notes.  The argument is that the loss of the boys means that they will 
not then mature into becoming the men's section of a church choir.

> For some denominations (the RCC), this is especially
> pronounced because of the all-male priesthood where altar serving  has been
> seen as starting the road for many into the seminary, and we all
> know the extreme shortages of candidates there.
>
> There's that widely  quoted book, "The Church Impotent" (the Feminization
> of Christianity) that takes this position, but carries it much further  to
> explain that males have disproportionately disappeared from church
> activities because of the perception that church activities are a
> "girl thing".

Isn't the German expression in some order Kinder, Kirche, Kuchen?

Roger