[Magdalen] Bp. Wright OKs same sex weddings

[Grace Cangialosi]

What a lovely, grace-filled post, Sally.  Thank you!

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 1:40 PM, <sally.davies at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Martin
>
> I understand that there are strong feelings on this subject. It's one that
> I have struggled with; not for a moment with the question of what it means
> to be gay or whether gay people should have the same rights as others to
> love, comfort and security, but with what the Scripture says.
>
> There are some very helpful articles around that one can read, from both
> perspectives, and I think it's good that we all read them, perhaps with a
> special focus on those whose views differ from our own, in order to
> encourage respect for that difference.
>
> President Obama mentioned that and I feel he was right to do so.
>
> As to Moloch, those with a firmer grasp of Biblical history can correct me,
> but I had the understanding that worshippers of Moloch would sacrifice
> their children to placate this demon God. So I don't find that an accurate
> or fair analogy, even if Moses lived at the time when Moloch worship was
> extant in the region (not sure that he did).
>
> As it has often been said, if you are against gay marriage, then don't
> marry a gay person. Etc. The Bible is not strong on human rights either,
> but that does not mean that laws governing human rights are not pleasing to
> God in many ways.
>
> I feel for gay people who - in an effort to be obedient to their
> understanding of God's will - have struggled for years with the pain of
> loneliness and celibacy that they would not have chosen, had a different
> interpretation of Scripture been hegemonic as it were. Or those who have
> conducted their romantic and sexual lives in the shadows and become used to
> thinking of their sexuality as disordered and sinful. Such people naturally
> have an investment in resisting this change, which does not mean their
> arguments are invalid per se, but does muddy the waters, considerably.
>
> YM clearly does V, and that's OK, but I would personally prefer it if we
> don't try to offend each other here. We all respect the Scripture but we
> don't all read it in the same way. And as far as I'm aware, it's still OK
> to be an Anglican (Episcopalian) without affirming the "inerrancy" of
> Scripture or denying that context can be critical as we wrestle with the
> Scriptures, Old and New. We do not (yet) have a Covenant nor do we bow to a
> Magisterium. Rather, we share common prayer and worship, within the
> embracing shelter of Tradition, Scripture and Reason.
>
> Sally D
>
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 at 11:46 AM Zephonites--- via Magdalen <
> magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > David
> >
> > Interesting this article by Matthew Parris - a self confessed gay man
> >
> >
> >
> http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/as-a-gay-atheist-i-want-to-
> > see-the-church-oppose-same-sex-marriage/
> > <
> http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/as-a-gay-atheist-i-want-to-see-the-church-oppose-same-sex-marriage/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I liked this comment:
> >
> > Would  it have occurred for a moment to Moses (let alone God) that he’d
> > better defer to  Moloch-worship because that’s what most of the
> Israelites
> > wanted to  do?
> >
> > Blessings
> > Martin
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----------------------------
> > In  a message dated 26/06/2015 21:24:36 GMT Daylight Time,
> > fleenerj at gmail.com  writes:
> >
> > http://www.edwm.org/news_and_events.html
> >
> > Read what my bishop  has to say.  He is a relatively new bishop, and
> > unabashedly  progressive.
> > Judy
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Cantor03--- via  Magdalen <
> > magdalen at herberthouse.org>  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 6/26/2015 2:08:39 P.M.  Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > jhandsfield at att.net writes:
> > >
> > > I  love  my bishop.>>>>
> > >
> > > I don't think he was the  only one in the upper levels of church
> > authority
> > > approving the  SCOTUS decision today.
> > >
> > > I am convinced that She approved this,  as well.
> > >
> > > In another of a series of mystical experiences I've  had involving
> > > the BVM, I happened to watch an in depth travelogue  about Lourdes
> > > last night.
> > >
> > > I've always tended to  dismiss Lourdes as a sort of honky-tonk
> > > locale in the Pyrenees with a  lot of crutches and wheelchairs.
> > > But I was quite amazed with this  travelogue.  Lourdes positively
> > > exudes spirituality.  I'm  sorry I didn't go there when I lived  in
> > > Europe to experience the  ambience first hand.
> > >
> > > Anyway, there were a number of scenes at  the shrine and in the
> > > nearby villages featuring rainbow bunting.   I got shivers up my
> spine,
> > > and couldn't escape the feeling that  She was telling me something.
> > >
> > > She was.  The SCOTUS was  Her mouthpiece today.
> > >
> > > YMMV, of course, but I know what I  know.
> > >
> > >
> > > David  Strang.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Judy Fleener,  ObJN
> > Western Michigan
> >
> >
>



-- 
Grace Cangialosi
Ruckersville, VA

Keep Calm and Carry OM.