[Magdalen] Whoops. We've got the Southern slavers' battle flag in the National Cathedral.

[James Oppenheimer-Crawford]

There is such a thing as erecting a plaque that spells out the conflict of
the two views in regard to your bishop-soldier.

There's nothing wrong with being a man of faith who also takes up arms.
Or, maybe there is, but rather than saying, this is the way it is, I think
we might need to talk about it.

James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
*“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Jon Egger <revegger at gmail.com> wrote:

> Things (and this thread) remind me of the "fighting bishop" (Leonidas
> Polk?) who is memorialized at our seminary at Sewanee.  Do we remove him
> from the seminary?  Do we simply forget him?
>
> I'm leaning to the side of people who say such things matter.  Who do we
> have to sterilize/erase/purge from our church history to make it
> theologically correct???
> We can't erase our past.  Things happen.  Horrible things sometime.
>
> Some of the knee-jerk reactions of my fellow liberals is very sad.  What's
> the next thing they are hell bent to purge in order for the church to be
> theologically/politically correct?  James Baldwin says it best: “For
> nothing is fixed, forever and forever and forever, it is not fixed; the
> earth is always shifting, the light is always changing, the sea does not
> cease to grind down rock. Generations do not cease to be born, and we are
> responsible to them because we are the only witnesses they have. The sea
> rises, the light fails, lovers cling to each other, and children cling to
> us. The moment we cease to hold each other, the sea engulfs us and the
> light goes out.”
>
> Important: "Generations do not cease to be born, and we are responsible to
> them because we are the only witnesses they have."  As witnesses, I don't
> think we should change our past, nor deny it nor sugar coat it.  Yes, the
> 'rebel flag' is nasty.  Sadly, it reminds me that banning it won't change
> anything.  Too many people are still fighting the CW.  Baldwin is as
> important today as he was in the 50s and 60s...if he were around today, he
> wouldn't be surprised at all how poorly the US has done regarding race and
> racism.  My two cents...applying asbestos underwear.
>
> Grace and peace,
> jon
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Jim Guthrie <jguthrie at pipeline.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Jay Weigel
> >
> >  And you are reading things into my comment (and the window) that I did
> not
> >> say. Propriety and puib rules forbid me saying what I am really thinking
> >> right now.
> >>
> >
> > And the other betrayal, err "reconciliation" was the Republican's
> original
> > "Southern Strategy" where Black folk were thrown out of office and had
> Jim
> > Crow installed in return for Democrats ceding the Presidency to
> Rutherford
> > B Hayes in 1876.
> >
> > I repeat no matter how you slice it and dice it, there was nothing good
> > about the post Civil War "reconciliation" -- particularly if you a person
> > of color.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jim Guthrie
> >
>