[Magdalen] Ireland

[Jon Egger]

Speaking of Ireland, Philip and his spouse Elizabeth (nee Malone) are off
to Ireland this week.  They're planning, of course, to see the Guinness
plant, as well as other places.  When Elizabeth was in grad school, she had
the opportunity to stay with a family in Ireland for three months;  she's
very excited to visit them again, and to see her own family who still has
roots there.

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Grace & peace,
Deacon Jon Egger



*“In every age it has been the tyrant, the oppressor and the exploiter who
has wrapped himself in the cloak of patriotism, or religion, or both to
deceive and overawe the People."(Eugene V. Debs, Anti-War Speech, June 16,
1918) *


On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well, I kind of feel that way about Pope Francis...
>
> > On May 26, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > As my friend Sheila (formerly RCC, now staunchly Episcopalian) has always
> > said, "If priests were all like Fr. Greeley, we'd all be Catholic."
> >
> > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:15 PM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
> > oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I recall reading Andy Greeley's discussion of RCC members in TUSA.
> >>
> >> He said, essentially, that they would mostly never stop being members of
> >> TRCC, but they no longer felt bound  by most of the specific teachings
> of
> >> the Church.
> >>
> >> The younger RCC members use birth control as seems right to them.  I
> don't
> >> recall him addressing abortion, so I won't comment on that.  I do recall
> >> that I was at a RCC retreat center and at the end of the session it was
> >> announced that the chapel would have mass very shortly.
> >>
> >> I explained that I was an Episcopalian.  "Oh, we don't care about that
> >> here!  Please come if you wish!" It was a nice way to round out the
> day....
> >>
> >> His work in sociology was formidable.
> >>
> >> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> >> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not
> preserved,
> >> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Jim Guthrie <jguthrie at pipeline.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> When the Irish republic was established the overwhelming majoroty of
> the
> >>>> population were practising Roman Catholics.  As has been onserved
> before
> >>>
> >>> There's apparently an interesting parallel -- though it's hard to
> >>> determine the difference among what the RC Bishops believe to be their
> >>> membership, what people when polled believe to be members, and the
> actual
> >>> number of people attending RC parishes. The Bishops know the difference
> >>> between their official view and boots on the ground, but it is not in
> >> their
> >>> political interests to proclaim that practicing RCs constitute about
> 20%
> >> of
> >>> their claimed membership <g>.
> >>>
> >>> That said, an fairly substantial majority of U.S. Rc's support same
> >>> sex-marriage. That's the largest single cohort in favor (if you start
> >> with
> >>> the Bishop's "Official" number).
> >>>
> >>> Our Canadian friends may fill in the details, but I believe
> >> overwhelmingly
> >>> RC Quebec was the first to pass gay rights laws and support same-sex
> >>> marriage.
> >>>
> >>> I won’t get into the European experience since church membership
> appears
> >>> to be a pretend number in most countries <g>, but consider the counties
> >>> that have supported same-sec marriage vs their supposed denominational
> >>> preference.
> >>>
> >>> So I suspect the Irish experience may not be so unique.
> >>>
> >>> This thread is about Ireland, not the USA.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not so quick to dismiss the U.S. experience, given the relatively
> >>> substantial money from the USA  (based upon US mythology on marriage)
> >> that
> >>> went to Ireland to support the "No" campaign.  Now there may have been
> >>> foreign interference on the "Yes" side as well, but I'm not aware of
> it.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Jim
> >>
>