[Magdalen] Another Scotland?

[Joseph Cirou]

I haven't read much about the Union of 1707. What were the circumstances? With the end of the successful Stuart dynasty in England less than a decade later, did the Scots think James or Charles III would be successful? The '15 and '45 were years away but not unthinkable. What was the advantage of Union. If there were no Union
would George still have been King of Scotland? I always thought the Union was imposed by England not requested by the Scots.

Joe Cirou

-----Original Message-----
>From: Roger Stokes <roger.stokes65 at btinternet.com>
>Sent: Nov 13, 2015 2:07 PM
>To: magdalen at herberthouse.org
>Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Another Scotland?
>
>On 13/11/2015 17:06, Cantor03--- via Magdalen wrote:
>> I've read several news items recently that describe various
>> stages of "independence" for the State of Hawaii.  These  movements
>> consist of various special interest groups, such as the 100,000 or so
>> ethnics of pure Hawaiian/Polynesian ancestry, as well as other groups
>> who have different political agendas.
>>   
>> The proposals run the gamut from complete independence for Hawaii
>> with no residual strings attached to the USA and various levels of
>> autonomy in between.
>
>I would have thought they would need to maintain soime level of link to 
>cover such things as defence and foreign relations.  To fund these 
>themselves would be very expensive.  There is also the question as to 
>how much money the rest of the USA pumps intyo the Hawaian economy.  The 
>Scots calling for independence point out how much the UK exchequer 
>benefits from taxes on oik in Scottish waters.  They conveniently forget 
>how much England has subsidised Scotland with since they sought union 
>300 years ago.
>
>> What is interesting is that the USA officials dealing with these  proposals
>> are described as in full cooperation with these proposals for  autonomy.
>
>I can understand the officials doing this.  When independence does not 
>come the US government does not want to be blamed "We could have 
>achieved independence if you had facilitated it".  Cooperate so they 
>find out for themselves it wouldn't work.
>
>Roger