[Magdalen] Worship leader

[Grace Cangialosi]

Oh, I thought from your post that you WERE in Western MO. I was pretty sure that's where Steve Miller is. And it doesn't surprise me a bit that he won't let deacons anoint.  He was here in VA for awhile, and I know it was a real trial for him. He was one of our few biretta wearers...

> On Sep 7, 2015, at 9:21 PM, Jon Egger <revegger at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think he's West Mo stock.  Marty Field is our present bishop.
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Is Stephen Miller your bishop, Brud?
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2015, at 4:39 PM, Jon Egger <revegger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not too far from this thread, in West Missouri, ONLY priests may anoint.
>>> Deacons may, but only when a priest is not available to do so, and only
>>> with the consent of the Bishop or Canon to the Ordinary.
>>> 
>>> This is the present bishop's prerogative.  It's also contrary to
>> countless
>>> years and years of deacons being able to do so in this diocese.
>>> 
>>> The PiC at Old Trinity was not happy with it, as were many presbyters I
>>> know.  Their reasoning ran along the line of "I busy enough as it is and
>>> now I can't send my deacon out to anoint someone!"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Happy to be retired,
>>> brud
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Ann Markle <ann.markle at aya.yale.edu>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> There is no more licensing in TEC for lay readers, though IMO they
>> should
>>>> be trained.  They are called Lectors now.
>>>> 
>>>> Ann
>>>> 
>>>> The Rev. Ann Markle
>>>> Buffalo, NY
>>>> ann.markle at aya.yale.edu
>>>> blog:  www.onewildandpreciouslife.typepad.com
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 3:04 PM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
>>>> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> There is something to the idea of licensing.  I notice often that folks
>>>>> reading the lessons seem never to have ever even seen the material
>>>> before,
>>>>> and have no idea how one must speak in order to be understood, and
>>>>> everybody thinks this is just fine, fine. I used to coordinate the
>>>> readers,
>>>>> and if anyone dropped the ball like that, they would be spoken with
>> about
>>>>> ways to do better (after all, nobody ever decided to read badly! They
>>>> just
>>>>> don't know).
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've heard some strange, or even horrible, sermons from supposedly
>>>> ordained
>>>>> folks. Seldom from someone who was just invited to speak.
>>