[Magdalen] Images and words about Mary

[James Oppenheimer-Crawford]

And you assume that the story you received is accurate, which is
commendable.

If the writer did not know the name of someone, I'm sure he would be happy
to make that information up.

If I were a betting man (I'm not, but if I were), I would say they have the
names right.  But, honestly, how do we know.

All I wrote is actually common seminary knowledge, Ma'am.  I have never
held myself out to be overly knowledgeable. The source you mention is not
in the canon. It is from the middle of the second century, as best folks
can make out.  If you want to hold onto your anger at me for pointing this
out, that is your privilege.





James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
*“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 6:50 PM, Sibyl Smirl <polycarpa3 at ckt.net> wrote:

> Oh, my, you know so much, to dismiss the Protevangelium of James as
> nothing of any consequence, a writing on which the RCC bases so many of its
> traditions, and which predates some of the canonically Inspired books, not
> to mention all the other ancient documents.  "Ernestine and Ernest" have no
> Hebraic roots at all, while Miriam and Yusuf go back even farther than
> Moses' sister and the progenitor of the two half-tribes.
>
> You know something?  I know the names of quite a few people who lived and
> did their living 150 years ago.  I even know, at third-hand, but reliably,
> what my great-grandfather said when he was first told that Abraham Lincoln
> had been shot.  One of his children was near enough to hear the exchange
> with the neighbor who stopped by with the news, and told their siblings,
> because it was so shocking, and one of the sisters told my aunt, her niece,
> and my aunt told me.  That's really not such a long time for people to know
> things reliably, even if they weren't written down in other places.
>
>
> On 1/31/16 3:14 PM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford wrote:
>
>> Nothing of any consequence to suggest Joe was older. Got it.
>>
>> Those probably weren't even the parents' names anyway, and it doesn't
>> matter if they were Mary and Joseph or Ernestine and Ernest.
>>
>> Neither of them shows up very much. Neither is of any importance in terms
>> of the faith.  Satan, perhaps shows up less often, but he's not a person
>> or
>> demigod, but a literary device, so no surprise there.
>>
> .......
>
>>
>> On 1/30/16 3:29 PM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there anything that speaks to Joe's age?  I'm not aware that there is.
>>>>
>>> .....
>
> Not in the Bible, but remember that there were a lot of documents floating
>>> around in the first few centuries that didn't make the cut, because they
>>> weren't Apostolic.  One of them, (which reads as quite incredible to me)
>>> details the Assumption.  Others are about Mary's childhood and birth, and
>>> various with different details about Jesus' childhood.  They're
>>> interesting
>>> to read, and the people who wrote them might have known _something_, even
>>> if they weren't Inspired as a whole.
>>> Some of them are just being dug up now, others were preserved by the
>>> Church since those very early times.  Go to
>>> http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/
>>> and scroll all the way down to "Apocrypha" and "Miscellaneous"
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Sibyl Smirl
> I will take no bull from your house!  Psalms 50:9a
> mailto:polycarpa3 at ckt.net
>