[Magdalen] Brightest and Best - The Epiphany, January 6, 2016.

[Lynn Ronkainen]

David S>Along with the liturgical change has come the vestment change, and I 
cannot think of a single parish in that Diocese that does not  wear/use
Eucharistic vestments.

Agreed!  And, yes, they (vestments over and above cassock/surplice+stole) 
are the norm now...
I also agree about the boon for vestment makers. A number of 
'classic'/traditional vestment 'houses' have opened over the last 30 years, 
although Wipple still has a *hold* on some... kind of like buying from 
Bonwit Teller, or Lord & Taylor, Bloomingdales etc.... Then there are other 
people like me who have benefited as well. I happened on the scene around 
the time that women were being called as Rectors and the vestments at their 
new church swallowed them up AND when the trend for mid-career seminary 
attendance became the norm, and people in their 40s and up were being 
ordained... and also when blue began to be considered for Advent - each of 
these events gave me a footing which TBTG has continued to expand for me 
although I am still a 'business of one'. The 'young' did not dominate the 
scene again until the beginning of the 21C, and VTS was the first seminary 
to start reaching out to students still in college to urge them to consider 
the priesthood (it's been interesting, that).  [... and after all, 
retirement funds can't be adequately funded by people who only work from 
their late 40s for about 15 or 20 years...., just sayin'].

Lynn

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single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me." 
attributed to Erma Bombeck
 "Either Freedom for all or stop talking about Freedom at all" from a talk 
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Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Brightest and Best - The Epiphany, January 6, 2016.

>
>
> In a message dated 1/9/2016 1:07:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> houstonklr at gmail.com writes:
>
> ...well  depending on what part of the USA you were in say 20 years ago
> chasubles were  a non-starter. Too "Roman". A lot has changed in/around 
> our
> denomination with  vestments since the 1990s>>>>>>>>
>
>
> The changes started long before that.
>
> There were whole dioceses that didn't own a chasuble anywhere.
>
> I'm not sure the theology has changed in the past 50 or so years,
> but Episcopal clergy now dress up a good deal more than they did
> several decades ago.
>
> In my home area of the Episcopal Diocese of Minnesota, the almost
> universal predominance of Choral Morning Prayer has been supplanted
> by a similar overwhelming predominance of Choral Eucharist such that
> I am not aware Choral Morning Prayer can be found anywhere in the
> State/Diocese.
>
> Along with the liturgical change has come the vestment change, and
> I cannot think of a single parish in that Diocese that does not  wear/use
> Eucharistic vestments.  MN bishops, infamous for wearing magpies
> exclusively, now strut about in copes and mitres as though they were
> participating in a royal coronation.
>
> I'm sure it's been a bonanza for the vestment makers.
>
>
> David Strang.