[Magdalen] Mass nightclub shooting.

[Molly Wolf]

Put it out there.

The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. -- Mark Twain

> On Jun 12, 2016, at 11:28 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com> wrote:
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> factual sobriety
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> great phrase!
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> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
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> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me." attributed to Erma Bombeck
> "Either Freedom for all or stop talking about Freedom at all" from a talk by Richard Rohr
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> From: "Molly Wolf" <lupa at kos.net>
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 7:43 PM
> To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Mass nightclub shooting.
> 
>> Absolutely. The intertribal wars were brutal, as were the frontier wars between Aboriginal peoples and European settlers.
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>> None of which diminishes the horror of the Orlando massacre, especially because it scrambles together so many hot-button issues. But after exposure to Trumpery, I've become passionately attached to factual sobriety.
>> 
>> Molly
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>> The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. -- Mark Twain
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>>> On Jun 12, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Sibyl Smirl <polycarpa3 at ckt.net> wrote:
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>>> And also Indians killing other Indians, and Indians killing European settlers.  Don't just give a quick glance at Molly's link: read through it.
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>>> It's not just a liberal guilt thing.  Humans are like that.
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>>>> On 6/12/16 6:50 PM, Molly Wolf wrote:
>>>> Forgive me, but as both a history major and an editor, "worst mass shooting in American history" still doesn't parse. It's the worst mass shooting in the U.S. in this century. I think if you looked into U.S. Black or Native history, you'd find worse.
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>>>> I'm not just nitpicking.  It's important to fact-check statement about history,
>>>> 
>>>> Molly
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>>>> The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. -- Mark Twain
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 12, 2016, at 7:33 PM, M J _Mike_ Logsdon <mjl at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> That's the arrogance of a privileged white perspective.<<<
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>>>>> And also the natural result of thinking in terms of what is currently happening, regardless of what history teaches us.  The relations and loved ones of those lost today in Orlando are not thinking in terms of, or guilty of, "privileged white perspective".  Of course, the U.S. has done worse, when the context is expanded.
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>>>>> In current context, no one is wrong for saying this is the worst mass shooting in U.S. history.
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>>> -- 
>>> Sibyl Smirl
>>> I will take no bull from your house!  Psalms 50:9a
>>> mailto:polycarpa3 at ckt.net