[Magdalen] Next Steps

Mon Nov 14 15:25:40 UTC 2016

Yes, Al Jazeera observes that the choice of Trump is the only really true
one, for the choice shows just what the USA in fact actually is.  I have to
agree.

Oh sure, we can try to weasel out of things by saying crap like how the
technical majority actually chose Hil, one of the finest public servants of
our time, over that other person, but the fact is that about half of the
electorate buys the racist sexist line of that other person. That's the way
it is.  They have had the truth readily available to them and they still
refuse to deal with it.  Even beginning to compare the two as if there were
any comparison is so off the rails as to defy rational thought.
Even if it were true that Hil were anywhere nearly as putrid as the other
person (demonstrably not true. Not a single scrap of real evidence to
support all those lies about her. Not one), but even if it WERE true, I
would still vote democratic for the simple reason that we don't elect a
president so much as a political party. I said as much during the campaign
of that dreary little cypher Bush, and the people again wouldn't look up
from their hate-connected networks long enough to give any real attention.
"Yeah. Right. I don't care. I'm still voting for the twit."

The USA is going to become another Venezuela, only without any music.

It is not just the current election' this has actually been ongoing for
decades; we naive fools on the left just were stupid enough to think we
could make a difference; we can't. Nothing new. Nothing surprising,
actually. Amerika has been obstinately racist and sexist forever.
Oh, and if you actually are naive enough to talk dismissively about your
own sexism or racism, you ARE.

James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
*“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Sally Davies <sally.davies at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Al-Jazeera English has an interesting Listening Post episode this week,
> focused on the US Media and their role - at times unwitting - in promoting
> the "Trump phenomenon" throughout the election cycle.
>
> Very few were prepared to admit openly that Trump was fantastic for ratings
> (only the CBS guy). But they went far enough back in history to explore the
> lack of any kind of public broadcasting in the USA; to the scrapping of the
> "fairness" regulations by Reagan; and to the scrapping of anti-monopoly
> rules by Bill Clinton.
>
> The number of broadcasting companies has shrunk to a mere handful and those
> also own huge chunks of the Internet.
>
> Trump won because he was good for business, but as President he will be a
> lot less interesting.
>
> I think a lot of Americans are about to be shocked - shocked I tell you!! -
> to discover that a businessman is actually LESS honest than a politician,
> and that now he's got his fish on the hook so to speak, Trump will just go
> ahead and make deals.
>
> If I were in the USA I would be crying too (heck, we are crying here
> plenty) - but yesterday I got to thinking about Ted Cruz and wondering
> whether things could not perhaps have been worse all round.
>
> Sally D
>
>
>
> On 14 November 2016 at 10:38, Stephanie <stefkagoil at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > At the risk of being completely off-base (and I certainly was with this
> > election), I think the Republicans would have Swift-boated Bernie for
> being
> > a socialist and Jewish. Had he managed to actually win the election, the
> > Republicans would have stymied him every step of the way. He would never
> > have gotten anything through Congress -- unless the Congress flipped to
> the
> > Democrats.
> >
> >
> > Stephanie
> >
> > still crying
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Magdalen <magdalen-bounces+stefkagoil=hotmail.com at herberthouse.org
> >
> > on behalf of Ann Markle <ann.markle at aya.yale.edu>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 2:57 PM
> > To: magdalen at herberthouse.org
> > Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Next Steps
> >
> > Bernie would have been more of a "hold my nose" vote than Hillary was,
> for
> > whom I voted proudly and enthusiastically.  Yes, anybody but Trump, so I
> > would have voted for him.  But a democratic Socialist simply could not
> have
> > won in the US, despite what some pundits say.
> >
> > Ann
> >
> > The Rev. Ann Markle
> > Buffalo, NY
> > ann.markle at aya.yale.edu
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Marion Thompson <
> > marionwhitevale at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Too bad the Democrats connived to defeat Bernie Sanders.  The outcome
> of
> > > the story might have been quite different.
> > >
> > > Marion, a pilgrim   ... today my sail I lift ....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/13/2016 2:15 PM, Mahoney, W. Michael wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:31 AM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
> > >> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> America not only is not the greatest country in the world, it is up
> > there
> > >>> for the dumbest country in the world. The information is out there,
> but
> > >>> people willfully refuse to look at it.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm ashamed of this land, and I deeply regret that I wasted all that
> > time
> > >>> serving in the military to preserve the rights of a few hundred
> million
> > >>> slimy dirtbags.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jim -
> > >>
> > >> If 35,000 voters in Pennsylvania and 65,000 voters in Florida had
> voted
> > >> for
> > >> Clinton instead of Trump, she would now be the President-elect.
> > >>
> > >> If the election had been held three weeks earlier, or were to be held
> > >> three
> > >> weeks later, Clinton might well be the President elect.
> > >>
> > >> If the election were decided by popular vote, Clinton would be the
> > >> President elect.
> > >>
> > >> Now it is true that Trump won the election and that may lead to
> > >> consequences I would rather not ponder.  But he could just as well
> have
> > >> won
> > >> it from the toss of a coin.  Statistically speaking, the country looks
> > >> just
> > >> the same as it would have if Clinton had won.
> > >>
> > >> I do find it disturbing that Trump received the support of roughly
> half
> > >> the
> > >> voters.  But I felt that way long before I knew the results of the
> > >> election.
> > >>
> > >> All that said, I am still proud to be an American, still proud to be a
> > >> veteran, and though gloomy about the immediate future, still
> optimistic
> > >> about the long run.
> > >>
> > >> Mike M..
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>