[Magdalen] Philiowhy? - Re: Philiioque

[Lynn Ronkainen]

My question, not well stated, was regarding the general view from the pews about the prayer of confession near the end of the liturgy of the word. Many see that as personal only. I was "taught" that it is corporate. 
Lynn 



www.ichthysdesigns.com

When I stand before God at the end of my life, I would hope that I would not have a single bit of talent left, and could say, 'I used everything you gave me'. attributed to Erma Bombeck


On Sep 13, 2016, at 6:47 AM, Marion Thompson <marionwhitevale at gmail.com> wrote:

The  corporate confession is a good thing for the faith community gathered together.  Personal confession is also a good thing:  All may, none must, some should.

Marion, a pilgrim


> On 9/12/2016 10:33 PM, Lynn Ronkainen wrote:
> And "take" on the confession? Corporal or personal?
> Lynn, who will weigh in later
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> www.ichthysdesigns.com
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> When I stand before God at the end of my life, I would hope that I would not have a single bit of talent left, and could say, 'I used everything you gave me'. attributed to Erma Bombeck
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> On Sep 12, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Marion Thompson <marionwhitevale at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I'm a mix now. Standing until after the Prayers of the People and then kneeling for the Confession and Absolution. Standing until after the Sanctus then kneeling until standing for the prayer after Communion, Glory to God ..., and blessing.
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> Marion, a pilgrim
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>> On 9/12/2016 6:39 PM, Lynn Ronkainen wrote:
>> ... I learned to be  'stander' at my former parish due to that rector's exegesis and Christianity-history lessons (but we could do either)... I remained a stander when I first attended where I am now, but very few stood, and most because they were unable to kneel. I buckled (guffaw) and began kneeling.  A year later the rector (former) announced that he encouraged us to stand until the Lord's prayer (coincidentally my former habit from previous church). Two weeks later, at announcement time, he explained his reasoning for 'asking' us to do that and also said that a number of people had contacted him and said they would leave (LEAVE??) if the policy suggesting standing, stood. He reiterated that it was still our choice and that he would not officially mandate standing but encouraged it... I'm not sure if anyone has even told the new dean that this incident happened.
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>> As always knowing some/any history of a place has be an interesting fly-on-the-wall experience I find anew, over and over (especially church).
>> L
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>> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
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>> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me." attributed to Erma Bombeck
>> "Either Freedom for all or stop talking about Freedom at all" from a talk by Richard Rohr
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>> From: "ME Michaud" <michaudme at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 5:25 PM
>> To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Philiowhy? - Re: Philiioque
>> 
>>> Oh dear.
>>> 
>>> I go to a kneeling church (although, to tell the truth, most of us sit).
>>> I'm not able to kneel, so I stand. I'm not the only one who stands, and I
>>> try to sit over on the side and out of the sight lines.
>>> 
>>> Heard through the grapevine that some of the older folks complained about
>>> us standers. "Send them to me," I told the rector, who paled a bit (we've
>>> known each other for a long time). I was all excited, thinking RUBRICS, but
>>> he handled it without my help :-D
>>> -M
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2016, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> hearing his exegesis of the italic words in the BCP which direct both
>>>> priest and parish (you may sit or stand, for instance, I'm quite familiar
>>>> with these from many years ago, and how they 'work').... on Saturday we
>>>> heard that there were two kinds.... one mandates, the other offers a
>>>> choice, BUT... invoking 'theology', he told us that the priest mandates our
>>>> choice on the choice ones.... then he began to support the various times
>>>> these directives occur and what his expectations are for us (not just us
>>>> those up in the sanctuary, but us, his parishioners) and 'why',
>>>> theologically of course he wants it done a certain way, theologically is it
>>>> mandated to be done a certain way