[Magdalen] Now Keillor.

[Eleanor Braun]

Marilyn - in many/most cases of sexual harassment it's not a matter of
office banter or flirting.  It's a male using his position of power to
require a female to submit to his sexual wants.  The woman's job may be at
stake if she does not submit.  That does not meet my definition of "good
natured fun."

Eleanor

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Marilyn Cepeda <mcepeda514 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> It seems to me we have gone over the top. There would not have been a male
> left in my office if they had to meet today’s ultra correct standards. Most
> of us saw it as good natured fun and were not threatened...if anything we
> gave as good as we got.
>
> While I know some will complain, I loved Angela Landsbury’s statement that
> women spend their lives wanting to be attractive to men then cry foul when
> men respond.
>
> She said and I say, there is a difference between “sexual banter” and rape
> or fiduciary relationships.
>
> But I do think we are far too sensitive.........
>
> Marilyn
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:19 PM Louise Laughton <LLaug at twcny.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> > We need to separate trivia from real assault. Women my age (80) and even
> > many much younger took for granted the way the world was when we were
> young
> > and young middle-aged in the work place. We knew how to play the game,
> > escape trouble without angering anybody. And sometimes, I’m sure, it was
> to
> > the relief of the boy/man involved who himself was just playing the game
> as
> > it existed everywhere. This is not to say it was right, but it was the
> way
> > things were, and it was trivia. Not rape. Not child abuse. Not
> > doctor-patient abuse. Not clerical abuse of a vulnerable person in the
> > congregation. When workplace sexual harassment first entered my life as a
> > new term, it was 1980 give or take and in the newsroom where I worked. We
> > joked. One woman, like me at that time 40-something, asked of sexual
> > harassment, “What do I have to do to get it?” I, at about that time,
> called
> > a man in the art department “Honey, “ as in “That’s just what I had in
> > mind, Honey.” He said he’d give me one more chance but any more “Honey”
> and
> > he’d have to file a sexual harassment complaint. In other words, the
> whole
> > thing was a joke. And yes. The girl who got sloshed at a frat party was
> > thought to be somewhat responsible for whatever had happened to her.
>
> --
> Marilyn (Owens, Palmero) Cepeda
>