[Magdalen] Episcopal News Service highlights Episcopal Church in South Carolina

[James Handsfield]

Ginga, the ABC has already said that Mark Lawrence will not be invited to Lambeth, and that he is not in communion with the See of Canterbury.

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Jim Handsfield
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> On Nov 30, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> CORRECTION:
> I wrote:
> TEC - no longer known as ECUSA since there are several non-domestic
> Provinces*
> * should be Dioceses, not Provinces.
> 
> that TEC* that TECSC is a member diocese of TEC
> *Scratch through 'that TEC' - TECSC is a member diocese of TEC.
> 
> And further, the schismatic churches, which as stated previously, formed
> other denominations when they broke with TEC.  Some claim to be Episcopal
> Dioceses (as the Mark Lawrence Church in South Carolina does) and most
> claim to be members of the Anglican Communion through unofficial
> relationships with Provinces in the Global South (which ARE members of the
> AC).  Archbishop Justin is clean in the interview that no breakaway church
> is in Communion with Canterbury, no matter what their unofficial
> relationships.  This is the truth and factual at this time.  And, in time,
> this may change as time brings change in the structures of the AC.
> +++Justin seems to be a reconciler, so I wouldn't think he'd support
> throwing anyone out, but perhaps welcoming those beyond the fringes.  But,
> what do I know?
> 
> Ginga
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Sally,
>> 
>> Your questions are best answered by the Archbishop of Canterbury in the
>> first 6 inutes of interview linked below.  I have included the first topics
>> he covered in the interview.  I gather that for some in the Pub who are not
>> on the ground in SC, deciphering The Episcopal Church in SC's
>> (TECSC)relationship with The Episcopal Church (TEC - no longer known as
>> ECUSA since there are several non-domestic Provinces).  Let me reiterate
>> that TEC that TECSC is a member diocese of TEC; ++ Katherine Jefferts
>> Schori is our Presiding Bishop.  She installed our Provisional Bishop,
>> +Charles vonRosenberg.
>> 
>> The ABC is very clear in the linked interview that ACNA and other
>> breakaway Anglican churches are different denominations and are not part of
>> the Anglican Communion.
>> 
>> And, of course, TEC is the The US member of the official Anglician
>> Communion.  These are facts that seem to be quite confusing.
>> 
>> http://www.coigazette.net/?page_id=2004
>> 
>> ORDER & TIMING OF TOPICS
>> 
>> *The Anglican Communion, 00:00-02:22;*
>> *Anglicans/Episcopalians in North America, 02:22-04.45;**The Lambeth
>> Conference, 04:45-05:40;*
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> Ginga Wilder
>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Sally Davies <sally.davies at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> What will happen when events take place that involve the entire ECUSA, or
>>> for that matter the Communion? Who would be invited to attend Lambeth if
>>> it
>>> does take place - both Bishops?
>>> 
>>> Actions are louder than words...
>>> 
>>> Perhaps, numerically, the centre of gravity of our Church is moving
>>> Southwards. Our rector mentioned in his sermon today (a fairly standard
>>> Evangelical take on the Second Coming), that Nigeria currently has more
>>> Anglican Church members than the rest of the Communion put together.
>>> Whilst
>>> we all know the church there is massive, that sounded a bit of a stretch
>>> but all the same, it does suggest a sea-change in the Communion.
>>> 
>>> As an African Anglican I hope and pray that the centre will hold and
>>> embrace the different strains of belief but with modern communications I
>>> guess that's becoming more of a challenge every passing year.
>>> 
>>> Sally D
>>> 
>>> On Friday, 28 November 2014, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Roger,
>>>> Thank you.  You have done your research well.  I so appreciate your
>>>> interest.
>>>> 
>>>> The Episcopal Diocese of SC (Mark Lawrence's church...the breakaway
>>> group)
>>>> did indeed get a restraining order in January 2013, preventing use of
>>> the
>>>> diocesan name (see what the Lawrence church calls itself) by the
>>>> Episcopalians, who were regrouping/reorganizing in special Convention at
>>>> the time.  So, we chose the name 'The Episcopal Church in SC (TECSC).
>>> The
>>>> trial was held in July, 2014, and we may hear the decision early in
>>>> December.  The Episcopal Church and TECSC do not expect the decision to
>>> be
>>>> favorable for Episcopalians.
>>>> 
>>>> TECSC has 30 parishes and missions now, five of which became new
>>> missions
>>>> in the last year (two Conventions).
>>>> 
>>>> Ginga
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Roger Stokes <
>>>> roger.stokes65 at btinternet.com <javascript:;>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 27/11/2014 22:04, James Oppenheimer-Crawford wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> So there are two dioceses there also.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is what is termed the Episcopal Diocese of South Carolina with
>>> Mark
>>>>> Lawrence as their bishop.  The latest state of court judgements is
>>> that
>>>>> they are entitled to retain use of that description, the diocesan
>>> shield,
>>>>> etc.  The other group is called the Episcopal Church in South
>>> Carolina.
>>>>> They are the group listed on the Episcopal Church's website.  If you
>>>> browse
>>>>> that site by diocese you will come to
>>>>> http://www.episcopalchurch.org/diocese/south-carolina and their
>>>>> Provisional Bishop is Charles vonRosenberg.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know Ginga has to be very careful about what she writes and there
>>> are
>>>>> various orders in place barring the group who look to +Charles as
>>> their
>>>>> bishop and +Katharine as their Primate from doing anything that might
>>>>> suggest they are the real Diocese of South Carolina.  I tried to be
>>>> careful
>>>>> in what I said when I was there but I am grateful to +Charles who,
>>> after
>>>>> consulting my own bishop, gave me permission to preside and preach at
>>> the
>>>>> Eucharist in Summerville as an expression of the Worldwide Anglican
>>>>> Communion.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>