[Magdalen] Episcopal News Service highlights Episcopal Church in South Carolina

[Ginga Wilder]

Yes, I know.  But, SC (TECSC) is part of the Anglican Communion as a member
church of TEC..
Ginga

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 7:22 PM, James Handsfield <jhandsfield at icloud.com>
wrote:

> Ginga, the ABC has already said that Mark Lawrence will not be invited to
> Lambeth, and that he is not in communion with the See of Canterbury.
>
> “Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the
> world.” — Nelson Mandela
>
> Jim Handsfield
> jhandsfield at att.net
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 30, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > CORRECTION:
> > I wrote:
> > TEC - no longer known as ECUSA since there are several non-domestic
> > Provinces*
> > * should be Dioceses, not Provinces.
> >
> > that TEC* that TECSC is a member diocese of TEC
> > *Scratch through 'that TEC' - TECSC is a member diocese of TEC.
> >
> > And further, the schismatic churches, which as stated previously, formed
> > other denominations when they broke with TEC.  Some claim to be Episcopal
> > Dioceses (as the Mark Lawrence Church in South Carolina does) and most
> > claim to be members of the Anglican Communion through unofficial
> > relationships with Provinces in the Global South (which ARE members of
> the
> > AC).  Archbishop Justin is clean in the interview that no breakaway
> church
> > is in Communion with Canterbury, no matter what their unofficial
> > relationships.  This is the truth and factual at this time.  And, in
> time,
> > this may change as time brings change in the structures of the AC.
> > +++Justin seems to be a reconciler, so I wouldn't think he'd support
> > throwing anyone out, but perhaps welcoming those beyond the fringes.
> But,
> > what do I know?
> >
> > Ginga
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Sally,
> >>
> >> Your questions are best answered by the Archbishop of Canterbury in the
> >> first 6 inutes of interview linked below.  I have included the first
> topics
> >> he covered in the interview.  I gather that for some in the Pub who are
> not
> >> on the ground in SC, deciphering The Episcopal Church in SC's
> >> (TECSC)relationship with The Episcopal Church (TEC - no longer known as
> >> ECUSA since there are several non-domestic Provinces).  Let me reiterate
> >> that TEC that TECSC is a member diocese of TEC; ++ Katherine Jefferts
> >> Schori is our Presiding Bishop.  She installed our Provisional Bishop,
> >> +Charles vonRosenberg.
> >>
> >> The ABC is very clear in the linked interview that ACNA and other
> >> breakaway Anglican churches are different denominations and are not
> part of
> >> the Anglican Communion.
> >>
> >> And, of course, TEC is the The US member of the official Anglician
> >> Communion.  These are facts that seem to be quite confusing.
> >>
> >> http://www.coigazette.net/?page_id=2004
> >>
> >> ORDER & TIMING OF TOPICS
> >>
> >> *The Anglican Communion, 00:00-02:22;*
> >> *Anglicans/Episcopalians in North America, 02:22-04.45;**The Lambeth
> >> Conference, 04:45-05:40;*
> >>
> >> Blessings,
> >> Ginga Wilder
> >> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Sally Davies <sally.davies at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What will happen when events take place that involve the entire ECUSA,
> or
> >>> for that matter the Communion? Who would be invited to attend Lambeth
> if
> >>> it
> >>> does take place - both Bishops?
> >>>
> >>> Actions are louder than words...
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps, numerically, the centre of gravity of our Church is moving
> >>> Southwards. Our rector mentioned in his sermon today (a fairly standard
> >>> Evangelical take on the Second Coming), that Nigeria currently has more
> >>> Anglican Church members than the rest of the Communion put together.
> >>> Whilst
> >>> we all know the church there is massive, that sounded a bit of a
> stretch
> >>> but all the same, it does suggest a sea-change in the Communion.
> >>>
> >>> As an African Anglican I hope and pray that the centre will hold and
> >>> embrace the different strains of belief but with modern communications
> I
> >>> guess that's becoming more of a challenge every passing year.
> >>>
> >>> Sally D
> >>>
> >>> On Friday, 28 November 2014, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Roger,
> >>>> Thank you.  You have done your research well.  I so appreciate your
> >>>> interest.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Episcopal Diocese of SC (Mark Lawrence's church...the breakaway
> >>> group)
> >>>> did indeed get a restraining order in January 2013, preventing use of
> >>> the
> >>>> diocesan name (see what the Lawrence church calls itself) by the
> >>>> Episcopalians, who were regrouping/reorganizing in special Convention
> at
> >>>> the time.  So, we chose the name 'The Episcopal Church in SC (TECSC).
> >>> The
> >>>> trial was held in July, 2014, and we may hear the decision early in
> >>>> December.  The Episcopal Church and TECSC do not expect the decision
> to
> >>> be
> >>>> favorable for Episcopalians.
> >>>>
> >>>> TECSC has 30 parishes and missions now, five of which became new
> >>> missions
> >>>> in the last year (two Conventions).
> >>>>
> >>>> Ginga
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Roger Stokes <
> >>>> roger.stokes65 at btinternet.com <javascript:;>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 27/11/2014 22:04, James Oppenheimer-Crawford wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> So there are two dioceses there also.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is what is termed the Episcopal Diocese of South Carolina with
> >>> Mark
> >>>>> Lawrence as their bishop.  The latest state of court judgements is
> >>> that
> >>>>> they are entitled to retain use of that description, the diocesan
> >>> shield,
> >>>>> etc.  The other group is called the Episcopal Church in South
> >>> Carolina.
> >>>>> They are the group listed on the Episcopal Church's website.  If you
> >>>> browse
> >>>>> that site by diocese you will come to
> >>>>> http://www.episcopalchurch.org/diocese/south-carolina and their
> >>>>> Provisional Bishop is Charles vonRosenberg.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I know Ginga has to be very careful about what she writes and there
> >>> are
> >>>>> various orders in place barring the group who look to +Charles as
> >>> their
> >>>>> bishop and +Katharine as their Primate from doing anything that might
> >>>>> suggest they are the real Diocese of South Carolina.  I tried to be
> >>>> careful
> >>>>> in what I said when I was there but I am grateful to +Charles who,
> >>> after
> >>>>> consulting my own bishop, gave me permission to preside and preach at
> >>> the
> >>>>> Eucharist in Summerville as an expression of the Worldwide Anglican
> >>>>> Communion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Roger
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
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