[Magdalen] Religion Without God?

[Jay Weigel]

HIPAA issues? Really? Somebody needs to either get a clue or a
life...........

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> a lot of talk about this on the HoB/D list earlier this year, including
> the part about how can a priest/parish discern needs, are there HIPAA
> issues, etc.?, but not too much common sense stuff in the approach -
> possibly because they were talking about it at the TEC level...
>
> Lynn
>
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> From: "Grace Cangialosi" <gracecan at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 10:50 AM
> To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Religion Without God?
>
>  As you say, Jay, this varies considerably among churches, with some going
>> to great lengths to accommodate folks with special needs and others doing
>> practically nothing. Size doesn't seem to matter, either. Our little church
>> in Stanardsville is working hard right now to figure out how to make the
>> sanctuary accessible. Right now there is a portable ramp they can put over
>> the three stairs between the parish hall and the sanctuary, but it's still
>> too steep for a person to navigate alone, so they're looking at various
>> kinds of lifts.
>> OTOH, another congregation at a small church some miles away voted down
>> the proposal for a ramp, even though it would not have been a very long
>> one, and the Sunday after the vote an elderly woman fell out of her wheel
>> chair while someone was trying  to get her into the building.
>>
>>  On Dec 29, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> An individual church thing, as usual. Although I don't think TEC has
>>> done a
>>> lot,church-wide, for the disabled among us. I'm not talking about ramps
>>> and
>>> bathrooms here. I base my observation on my experience as the mother of
>>> an
>>> autistic son, and I'm talking more about the disabilities (a word my Sam
>>> hates to hear used describing him, since he considers himself able but
>>> slightly handicapped) that you can't see at first glance, like autism,
>>> hearing impairment, or visual impairment. Although one priest took it
>>> upon
>>> himself to make sure that Sam was included in EYC activities, nothing was
>>> ever done about his Christian formation. We were told that he was a
>>> "disruption" in his Sunday school class at a certain point, so we removed
>>> him from that class, and he preferred not to attend Sunday school after
>>> that but would sit quietly in the back of the choir room instead with a
>>> game or book while we rehearsed. He was not included in confirmation
>>> class
>>> and no inquiry was made as to his readiness or interest at any time. I
>>> often compared this with the treatment of the children with cerebral
>>> palsy
>>> that I cared for in the RCC Chicago archdiocese back in the 1960s. Way
>>> back
>>> then, those kids, even the ones who were pretty severely handicapped, had
>>> special teachers who in some cases came to their homes for First
>>> Communion
>>> and Confirmation instruction. In the RCC diocese of Knoxville, there is a
>>> large and thriving deaf community at one of the churches and deaf
>>> ministries at most of them. At the ELCA church I attend in the itty-bitty
>>> town of New Market, VA, we have a superb sound system (I don't know about
>>> assistive hearing devices, though) and large print service books are
>>> available for anyone who needs them. I haven't seen a lot of any of this
>>> in
>>> Episcopal churches I've attended in recent years, even some of the bigger
>>> ones. What *are* we doing?
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Allan Carr <allanc25 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My problem, as ever, is that the assistive hearing at the Episcopal
>>>> Church
>>>> works for a while after I complain about it, but then stops working. It
>>>> will probably again work for a while after I complain about it, but my
>>>> need
>>>> to continually complain is tiresome. It's especially tiresome because
>>>> the
>>>> assistive hearing at both ELCA Lutheran Churches always works, as does
>>>> the
>>>> assistive hearing at the Unitarian Church.
>>>> Many years ago, the Episcopal Church was booming with three services,
>>>> but
>>>> it never saw the need to install an area with someone in charge of
>>>> lighting, sound, and video projection. These other churches did, and can
>>>> project material, as they see fit, on a wall or a screen while they
>>>> control
>>>> the sound. They also control assistive hearing systems. Each of their
>>>> pastors or ministers have individually promised me that the assistive
>>>> sound
>>>> will always be checked to make sure it's working. It's clear to me that
>>>> they see assistive hearing as a mission. My view is that the Episcopal
>>>> Church sees this as a pain inflicted by somebody they'd like to go away.
>>>> Which, once again, I will.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 7:35 PM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
>>>> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Insightful comment!
>>>>>
>>>>> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
>>>>> *"If you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things
>>>>>
>>>> better
>>>>
>>>>> for people coming behind you, and you don't do it, you're wasting your
>>>>>
>>>> time
>>>>
>>>>> on this Earth."  -- *Roberto Clemente
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 12:48 PM, ME Michaud <michaudme at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Living in New England, I know and have known hundreds
>>>>>> of Unitarians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And talking about them in this way (on this list in particular)
>>>>>> feels like overhearing heterosexuals discussing gay men and lesbians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ignorance can be enjoyably laughable, I guess.
>>>>>> -M
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Allan Carr
>>>>
>>>>