[Magdalen] Religion Without God?

[Marion Thompson]

For those of us who aren't in TEC and in a foreign land, what is HIPAA?

Marion, a pilgrim

On 12/29/2014 12:23 PM, Jay Weigel wrote:
> HIPAA issues? Really? Somebody needs to either get a clue or a
> life...........
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> a lot of talk about this on the HoB/D list earlier this year, including
>> the part about how can a priest/parish discern needs, are there HIPAA
>> issues, etc.?, but not too much common sense stuff in the approach -
>> possibly because they were talking about it at the TEC level...
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>> My email  is changing soon to: houstonKLR at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>>
>> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not
>> a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me."
>> attributed to Erma Bombeck
>>
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>> From: "Grace Cangialosi" <gracecan at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 10:50 AM
>> To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Religion Without God?
>>
>>   As you say, Jay, this varies considerably among churches, with some going
>>> to great lengths to accommodate folks with special needs and others doing
>>> practically nothing. Size doesn't seem to matter, either. Our little church
>>> in Stanardsville is working hard right now to figure out how to make the
>>> sanctuary accessible. Right now there is a portable ramp they can put over
>>> the three stairs between the parish hall and the sanctuary, but it's still
>>> too steep for a person to navigate alone, so they're looking at various
>>> kinds of lifts.
>>> OTOH, another congregation at a small church some miles away voted down
>>> the proposal for a ramp, even though it would not have been a very long
>>> one, and the Sunday after the vote an elderly woman fell out of her wheel
>>> chair while someone was trying  to get her into the building.
>>>
>>>   On Dec 29, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> An individual church thing, as usual. Although I don't think TEC has
>>>> done a
>>>> lot,church-wide, for the disabled among us. I'm not talking about ramps
>>>> and
>>>> bathrooms here. I base my observation on my experience as the mother of
>>>> an
>>>> autistic son, and I'm talking more about the disabilities (a word my Sam
>>>> hates to hear used describing him, since he considers himself able but
>>>> slightly handicapped) that you can't see at first glance, like autism,
>>>> hearing impairment, or visual impairment. Although one priest took it
>>>> upon
>>>> himself to make sure that Sam was included in EYC activities, nothing was
>>>> ever done about his Christian formation. We were told that he was a
>>>> "disruption" in his Sunday school class at a certain point, so we removed
>>>> him from that class, and he preferred not to attend Sunday school after
>>>> that but would sit quietly in the back of the choir room instead with a
>>>> game or book while we rehearsed. He was not included in confirmation
>>>> class
>>>> and no inquiry was made as to his readiness or interest at any time. I
>>>> often compared this with the treatment of the children with cerebral
>>>> palsy
>>>> that I cared for in the RCC Chicago archdiocese back in the 1960s. Way
>>>> back
>>>> then, those kids, even the ones who were pretty severely handicapped, had
>>>> special teachers who in some cases came to their homes for First
>>>> Communion
>>>> and Confirmation instruction. In the RCC diocese of Knoxville, there is a
>>>> large and thriving deaf community at one of the churches and deaf
>>>> ministries at most of them. At the ELCA church I attend in the itty-bitty
>>>> town of New Market, VA, we have a superb sound system (I don't know about
>>>> assistive hearing devices, though) and large print service books are
>>>> available for anyone who needs them. I haven't seen a lot of any of this
>>>> in
>>>> Episcopal churches I've attended in recent years, even some of the bigger
>>>> ones. What *are* we doing?
>>>>
>>>>   On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Allan Carr <allanc25 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My problem, as ever, is that the assistive hearing at the Episcopal
>>>>> Church
>>>>> works for a while after I complain about it, but then stops working. It
>>>>> will probably again work for a while after I complain about it, but my
>>>>> need
>>>>> to continually complain is tiresome. It's especially tiresome because
>>>>> the
>>>>> assistive hearing at both ELCA Lutheran Churches always works, as does
>>>>> the
>>>>> assistive hearing at the Unitarian Church.
>>>>> Many years ago, the Episcopal Church was booming with three services,
>>>>> but
>>>>> it never saw the need to install an area with someone in charge of
>>>>> lighting, sound, and video projection. These other churches did, and can
>>>>> project material, as they see fit, on a wall or a screen while they
>>>>> control
>>>>> the sound. They also control assistive hearing systems. Each of their
>>>>> pastors or ministers have individually promised me that the assistive
>>>>> sound
>>>>> will always be checked to make sure it's working. It's clear to me that
>>>>> they see assistive hearing as a mission. My view is that the Episcopal
>>>>> Church sees this as a pain inflicted by somebody they'd like to go away.
>>>>> Which, once again, I will.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 7:35 PM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
>>>>> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   Insightful comment!
>>>>>> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
>>>>>> *"If you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things
>>>>>>
>>>>> better
>>>>>
>>>>>> for people coming behind you, and you don't do it, you're wasting your
>>>>>>
>>>>> time
>>>>>
>>>>>> on this Earth."  -- *Roberto Clemente
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 12:48 PM, ME Michaud <michaudme at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   Living in New England, I know and have known hundreds
>>>>>>> of Unitarians.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And talking about them in this way (on this list in particular)
>>>>>>> feels like overhearing heterosexuals discussing gay men and lesbians.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ignorance can be enjoyably laughable, I guess.
>>>>>>> -M
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Allan Carr
>>>>>
>>>>>