[Magdalen] 224th Convention of The Episcopal Church in SC

Tue Nov 18 21:18:54 UTC 2014

I think the West has been very, very willing to allow other parts of the
world to find their own way.  It was only when they found that something we
were doing was not okay in THEIR book that the trouble started.

My feeling is that the other folks can continue to oppose and attack
whatever they want; I just won't ever support any aid to any of them.  Fair
is fair, after all. If our theology is too tainted for them, so is our
money.

James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
*“If you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things better
for people coming behind you, and you don’t do it, you're wasting your time
on this Earth.”  -- *Roberto Clemente

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Roger Stokes <roger.stokes65 at btinternet.com
> wrote:

> Archbishop Justin also knows the importance of holding the centre as you
> strive for reconciliation.  We need to get back to the principles of the
> Chicago-Lambeth Quadrilateral and recognize that the Church needs to be
> different in different places in order to be effective in each. None of us
> has the whole truth.
>
> Roger
>
> On 18/11/2014 01:11, Lynn Ronkainen wrote:
>
>> another quote from the article:
>> "Justice requires that you listen to me," Tengatenga noted,
>> characterizing U.S. attitudes. To some, especially in post-colonial Africa,
>> this sounded a lot like that old superiority and arrogance. "It was viewed
>> as political and secular values impinging on a religious discussion."
>>
>> And it sparked a backlash.
>>
>> "Why is it you want to impose your understanding of the world on us?"
>> some Africans asked, according to Tengatenga, especially when "it's not
>> true that everything in the West is hunky-dory."
>>
>> And this is where Tengatenga sits, in the midst of Anglican dissonance,
>> listening carefully and trying to form harmonious chords from the clashing
>> notes.
>>
>> Yet for him, the dissonance is another reason for hope.
>>
>> "This shows the church is actually alive, and it shows who we are,"
>> shortcomings and all, he said. "We become more of ourselves."
>> **************
>>
>>
>> This is a man of deep faith and wisdom.  This is not one of the African
>> bishops who 'puffed up' when used by those in the 'American' Episcopal
>> Church to advance their own ends.  This is also a man who calls out the
>> 'western mind' (not just the U.S.) that they no longer occupy or can claim
>> 'center stage' on the world stage in every affair of state or religion.
>> This strength, conviction and vision has been  a long time coming. I, for
>> one, am pleased to hear the clarity with which he speaks about his
>> position, while being willing to help hold the center (the man made center,
>> of course), and allow diversity - which is what I love about his last
>> sentence above.
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>>
>> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have
>> not a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave
>> me." attributed to Erma Bombeck
>>
>> Thomas Merton writes, “People may spend their whole lives climbing the
>> ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top, that the ladder is
>> leaning against the wrong wall.”
>>
>> "What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Ginga Wilder" <gingawilder at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 4:37 PM
>> To: "Magdalen" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] 224th Convention of The Episcopal Church in SC
>>
>>  An uncomfortable truth for progressive and conservatives on the
>>> fringes...and, he speaks the truth.  I wonder if the WWAC will survive
>>> the
>>> present era.
>>>
>>> Ginga
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <ichthys89 at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  from article: +Tengatenga said a certain post-colonial arrogance in the
>>>> West has run up against a newfound confidence and autonomy in Africa,
>>>> the
>>>> Middle East and other parts of what in religious circles is called "the
>>>> Global South," and this has exacerbated political, social and
>>>> theological
>>>> differences.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Very well said and all of article is  very good, IMO.
>>>>
>>>> L
>>>>
>>>> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>>>>
>>>> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have
>>>> not
>>>> a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave
>>>> me."
>>>> attributed to Erma Bombeck
>>>>
>>>> Thomas Merton writes, “People may spend their whole lives climbing the
>>>> ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top, that the
>>>> ladder is
>>>> leaning against the wrong wall.”
>>>>
>>>> "What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Ginga Wilder" <gingawilder at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 12:53 PM
>>>> To: "Magdalen" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] 224th Convention of The Episcopal Church in SC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I am a squirt, really.  Tallest girl in my family, but shortest of my
>>>>
>>>>> friends.
>>>>>
>>>>> On another subject.  Bp Tengatenga preached at our convention.  The
>>>>> sound
>>>>> system was so bad, those in my area could not hear anything.  An
>>>>> interesting interview with him was published in the Charleston Post and
>>>>> Courier yesterday...I just discovered it today.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20141116/PC16/
>>>>> 141119443/1177/anglican-official-discusses-views-on-
>>>>> sexuality-dissonance-among-churches
>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ppsgpel
>>>>>
>>>>> Ginga
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  She's got me beat by a couple of inches too!
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Well, at 5'4+", you're quite a bit taller than I am!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > On Nov 16, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Roger,
>>>>>> > > I am so glad you and your friends enjoyed the Benne Wafers.  They
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > truly
>>>>>> > can
>>>>>> > > be addictive.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Yes, TECSC standing committee does indeed approve bishops' > >
>>>>>> elections.
>>>>>> In
>>>>>> > > our Bishop's address he explained very clearly that TECSC and her
>>>>>> > > congregations are part of the WW Anglican Communion through The
>>>>>> Episcopal
>>>>>> > > Church, which is the only branch of Anglicanism recognized in the
>>>>>> United
>>>>>> > > States.  ABC Justin Welby clarified in a recent radio interview >
>>>>>> > that
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>> > > Lawrence's church is not part of the Anglican Communion...is not
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> > > communion with Canterbury.  This does not stop the Lawrence
>>>>>> church > >  >
>>>>>> > from
>>>>>> > > fudging the language and using lots of equivocal words to try to
>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>> claim
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> > > connection (through African Primates mostly). Simply is not true.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Roger Stokes <
>>>>>> > roger.stokes65 at btinternet.com
>>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> It does not surprise me that you have been elected to Standing
>>>>>> > Committee,
>>>>>> > >> a worthy honor (& note I have adopted the US spelling) in my
>>>>>> view.
>>>>>> > >> A
>>>>>> > qiery
>>>>>> > >> on a legal point, is the Standing Committee recognizedc as one of
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> > >> whose approval is sort for the confirmation of the election of >
>>>>>> > >>  >>
>>>>>> bishops
>>>>>> > in
>>>>>> > >> TEC?
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> On another matter, I shared the Benne wafers I received three >
>>>>>> >> weeks
>>>>>> ago
>>>>>> > >> with my friends at the Rowing Club this afternoon.  (If I had >
>>>>>> >> opened
>>>>>> > them
>>>>>> > >> earlier it would not have been good for me.)  The considered >
>>>>>> >> opinion
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> > >> "can we get these over here as they are so nice?"  I concur with
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> that
>>>>>> > >> opinion.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> Roger
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >>> On 16/11/2014 12:45, Ginga Wilder wrote:
>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>> > >>> Friends,
>>>>>> > >>> I have been out of the loop all weekend attending TECSC > >>>
>>>>>> Convention.
>>>>>> > Hope
>>>>>> > >>> I
>>>>>> > >>> am caught up now with prayer requests.
>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>> > >>> The 224th Convention of The Episcopal Church in SC is
>>>>>> adjourned. > >>> A
>>>>>> > truly
>>>>>> > >>> wonder-filled time of seeing/hearing where TECSC and her
>>>>>> congregations
>>>>>> > are
>>>>>> > >>> and also looking boldly to the future. Thanks be to God. If you
>>>>>> > >>> are
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> > >>> Facebook, see photographs here:
>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>> > >>> https://www.facebook.com/episcopalchurchsc/photos_stream
>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>> > >>> I was humbled to be elected to a three year term on Standing
>>>>>> Committee.
>>>>>> > >>> What an honor to serve TECSC in this way.
>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>> > >>> Blessings All.
>>>>>> > >>> Ginga
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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