[Magdalen] neat comparisons

[James Oppenheimer]

One thing we could have, but did not borrow from Judaism is their way of
dealing with these things.

Big shots with a lot of hubris are the last folks you want in the room when
major theological decisions are being made imho.

And people still don't want to hear that there's no such thing as proof in
any major matters.

James W. Oppenheimer
*“If you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things better
for people coming behind you, and you don’t do it, you're wasting your time
on this Earth.”  -- *Roberto Clemente

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <ichthys89 at comcast.net>
wrote:

> James O : I think the early church made a big mistake in assuming that it
> could
> discuss, debate and ultimately decide those big questions
>
> Oh come on... 'the church' always likes to be 'in the know' and to be in
> control of data...
>
> As to discussing and debating, that still goes on and some of the deciding
> by great minds of science in the last 150 years has proved to be 'off'
> sometimes too! : )
>
>
> Knowing more and more about our vast universe makes brings me even closer
> to the concept of a loving God and God's creations.
> Lynn
>
> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>
> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not
> a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me."
> attributed to Erma Bombeck
>
> Thomas Merton writes, “People may spend their whole lives climbing the
> ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top, that the ladder is
> leaning against the wrong wall.”
>
> "What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "James Oppenheimer" <oppenheimerjw at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:25 PM
> To: "Magdalen at herberthouse.org" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] neat comparisons
>
>  I simply can't get my head around it. It is so vast, it just makes no
>> sense; I cannot understand it at all.  And there you have it.  I do not
>> understand it at all, but that is not important. Whether or not I
>> understand it, the universe is unfolding as it should, and we should all
>> be
>> at peace with our soul. We don't understand it; but God does.
>>
>> I think the early church made a big mistake in assuming that it could
>> discuss, debate and ultimately decide those big questions; it could not,
>> and it cannot.  Honesty should have made the assembly state, "We do not
>> know."  But they just couldn't do that, and we have been sucked into a
>> false assumption universe ever since that holds that we CAN answer those
>> questions for which there is no objective answer.
>>
>> Proof?  There is NO such thing.  I can't even prove that I love my wife.
>>
>> James W. Oppenheimer
>> *“If you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things
>> better
>> for people coming behind you, and you don’t do it, you're wasting your
>> time
>> on this Earth.”  -- *Roberto Clemente
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:25 AM, Roger Stokes <
>> roger.stokes65 at btinternet.com
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>  On 13/10/2014 18:36, Cantor03--- via Magdalen wrote:
>>>
>>>  It's getting harder with such space discoveries to fit any  terrestrial
>>>> religion
>>>> into all this, not excluding Judeo-Christianity.   At least it is  for
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Isn't this looking at the issue from the wrong direction?  I have no
>>> problem conceptualizing the possibility of a number of parallel universes
>>> but the God I put my trust in is the source of this and any other
>>> possible
>>> universes.  This means that, by definition, God is outside of them all -
>>> and of the black holes.  As such we should not be trying to fit our faith
>>> into the new discoveries but seeking to see how they inform and enrich
>>> our
>>> understanding of God and the relationship between the divine and
>>> humanity.
>>>
>>> As for the black holes themselves from what little I have read it would
>>> be
>>> theoretically possible to pass through one that is spinning but not one
>>> that is not and simply absorbs all that comes its way, hence increasing
>>> its
>>> gravitational attraction exponentially. Currently the universe is
>>> expanding
>>> and that furthest away from us is moving away fastest.
>>>
>>> This leads to speculation as to what will happen in the future. Will it
>>> continue to expand or might we get the Big Crash with everything
>>> collapsing
>>> back into an infinitessimally small space? Scientists theorize that the
>>> universe as we know it originated from just such a singularity so we
>>> would
>>> all be back where we began after all the stars have burnt out.  Might it
>>> all then start again?
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>>