[Magdalen] This morning's lesson

[James Oppenheimer]

Just a personal reaction on my part, but I always thought it was
pretentious to call something by some name that is not known, save to the
inner crowd.

It always seemed to me a bit strange when people put comments, ending with
some cryptic phrase in Greek or Latin or lord knows what.  And a marvelous
technique it was for telling everyone, "Hey, I know a foreign tongue!"

A gentleman, to paraphrase, is one who knows how to express himself in
another language -- but doesn't.

On the other hand, I have no idea what the reasoning of the RCC might be
for doing whatever they are doing. I suspect they weighed options and made
decisions.  I wonder if the folks in the pew frequently hear parts of the
liturgy in Latin (or Greek).  If they generally do not, it's quite
understandable that the use of some foreign language title would be looked
on as inappropriate.  I don't know if that's the usual case in the RCC, but
if it is, I would probably agree.

Regarding the Sanctus, it seems appropriate to call it the "Holy holy
holy." It actually is "Kaddosh, kaddosh, kaddosh," so what stops us from
using the correct language? ("We've always done it this way.").

If not Hebrew, there's no reason to use some other intermediate language.
("Sure there is! We've always done it this way.")



James W. Oppenheimer
*“If you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things better
for people coming behind you, and you don’t do it, you're wasting your time
on this Earth.”  -- *Roberto Clemente

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Cantor03--- via Magdalen <
magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:

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> In a message dated 10/19/2014 2:05:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> michaudme at gmail.com writes:
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> Have  heard him preach on the Collects before.  Fabulous>>>
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> I've never heard of, or just heard a sermon on the Collect for the  day.
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> It's an unusual choice, and I'm sure could be very interesting.
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> Re:  Collects:
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> It has struck me that there has been a marked movement in the
> RCC away from the traditional liturgical names for the parts of the
> Liturgy.  For example, the church music people always refer to
> the "Holy, Holy, Holy" instead of the Sanctus.  Ditto "Lamb of  God"
> for the Agnus Dei.  Anglicans are more likely to use the older  terms.
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> Years ago I had a short conversation with a Roman priest about the Collect
> for
> the day, and it was obvious that he did not understand what I meant
> until I translated it into the "Opening Prayer" of the day.
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> David Strang.
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