[Magdalen] Texas was / Re: EC v. ED of Ft. Worth

Tue Oct 21 16:47:10 UTC 2014

Kansas is about to turn blue! What a shocker......

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rick Mashburn <ricklmashburn at gmail.com>
wrote:

> It's not that they aren't capable of looking north, Jay. It's because they
> are operating under the same set of delusions! Sigh...
>
> Rick
> On Oct 21, 2014 11:36 AM, "Jay Weigel" <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > And apparently a lot of people in Texas are incapable of looking north
> and
> > seeing what happens when people like this get control of the government.
> > Must be because Oklahoma is in the way.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Rick Mashburn <ricklmashburn at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > As bad as Abbott is going to be as Gov, Dan Patrick as Lt. Gov. is
> going
> > to
> > > be even worse!
> > > On Oct 21, 2014 11:24 AM, "Jay Weigel" <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > If Greg Abbott is elected, he is going to do to Texas what Sam
> > Brownback
> > > > has done to Kansas.....only it's going to be worse, because Texas is
> > > > bigger.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <
> > ichthys89 at comcast.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > and while filibustering in the TX state house, there is no sitting,
> > no
> > > > > leaning on furniture, no potty breaks either... unlike the
> 'creative'
> > > way
> > > > > the US government has redesigned filibustering in recent years...
> > now,
> > > I
> > > > > think people don't even have to be there....
> > > > >
> > > > > Lynn
> > > > >
> > > > > website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
> > > > >
> > > > > When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I
> > have
> > > > not
> > > > > a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You
> > gave
> > > > me."
> > > > > attributed to Erma Bombeck
> > > > >
> > > > > Thomas Merton writes, “People may spend their whole lives climbing
> > the
> > > > > ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top, that the
> > > ladder
> > > > is
> > > > > leaning against the wrong wall.”
> > > > >
> > > > > "What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi
> > > > >
> > > > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > > > From: "Roland Orr" <roland at orr55.org>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:07 AM
> > > > > To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Texas was / Re: EC v. ED of Ft. Worth
> > > > >
> > > > >  Very comfortable!
> > > > >> Roland
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 21/10/2014 17:04, Jay Weigel wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Roland, it's because during her 13 1/2 hour filibuster (a
> > remarkable
> > > > feat
> > > > >>> in itself) against a restrictive anti-abortion law the Texas
> > > > legislature
> > > > >>> was attempting to pass--and eventually did, but not on that
> > > > occasion--she
> > > > >>> wore pink running shoes.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Roland Orr <roland at orr55.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>  Wendy-pink-shoes - could she not wear blue shoes?
> > > > >>>> Any more info??
> > > > >>>> Roland
> > > > >>>> UK
> > > > >>>> who attended Ike's first election
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On 21/10/2014 16:01, Lynn Ronkainen wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>  (regarding different states)
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> As a resident of TX, I am ever mindful that it is not easy to
> > just
> > > > 'up
> > > > >>>>> and move', when the state one lives in becomes an anathema to
> > one's
> > > > >>>>> self...  It is near impossible to distance one's self from the
> > > > >>>>> governmental
> > > > >>>>> policies enshrined under our current governor of 14 years. I'm
> > > voting
> > > > >>>>> early
> > > > >>>>> (and I wish often <g>) this week but the possibility of
> changing
> > > > >>>>> leadership
> > > > >>>>> parties in this state, in this election cycle, is doubtful.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Those who must be obeyed keep chanting that the 'majority' of
> > > Texans
> > > > >>>>> did
> > > > >>>>> this or that (voted this way or that way), but in fact only 18%
> > of
> > > > our
> > > > >>>>> population voted in the last general election! Our policies do
> > not
> > > > >>>>> really
> > > > >>>>> represent the 'will' of the people, but sadly, I don't see it
> > > > changing
> > > > >>>>> much
> > > > >>>>> either. It is my hope that as people rush here for jobs, and we
> > do
> > > > have
> > > > >>>>> them and that is happening, that they bring a different social
> > > > >>>>> consciousness with them and slowly turn things around.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> My real fear is that if the current Attorney General (second in
> > > > command
> > > > >>>>> to governor) is elected governor, the same old, same old will
> > just
> > > > >>>>> escalate
> > > > >>>>> here - the only problem is that our state government is truly a
> > > case
> > > > >>>>> of the
> > > > >>>>> Emperor's new state/new clothes, and I'm not sure how many more
> > > years
> > > > >>>>> it
> > > > >>>>> can sustain itself without substance, and without imploding.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Wendy-pink-shoes is very probably not going to get elected,
> but I
> > > can
> > > > >>>>> hope. And vote.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Lynn
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope
> that I
> > > > have
> > > > >>>>> not a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used
> everything
> > > You
> > > > >>>>> gave
> > > > >>>>> me." attributed to Erma Bombeck
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Thomas Merton writes, “People may spend their whole lives
> > climbing
> > > > the
> > > > >>>>> ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top, that
> the
> > > > >>>>> ladder is
> > > > >>>>> leaning against the wrong wall.”
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> "What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------
> > > > >>>>> From: "Jay Weigel" <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
> > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:58 AM
> > > > >>>>> To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] EC v. ED of Ft. Worth
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>   Um, Grace, that's the case in SC.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Sometimes I think the solution for Texas is to pull all our
> > > federal
> > > > >>>>>> funds
> > > > >>>>>> and military bases, build a fence on the northern border,
> secede
> > > > from
> > > > >>>>>> them,
> > > > >>>>>> and offer unconditional amnesty to all Texans wishing to be in
> > the
> > > > >>>>>> real
> > > > >>>>>> U.S. of A. /snark off
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Roy Murphy <
> > roy.murphy at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>   The title of the case is odd from our point of view. It is
> TEC
> > > v.
> > > > >>>>>> Jack
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Iker
> > > > >>>>>>> et al. I believe the titling of the case was changed by the
> > Iker
> > > > >>>>>>> faction in
> > > > >>>>>>> the appeals process.
> > > > >>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2014 11:09 PM, "Grace Cangialosi" <
> > gracecan at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>  I'm still confused. You said the conservatives 'left,
> wanting
> > to
> > > > >>>>>>>> take
> > > > >>>>>>>> everything' and the Supreme Court of Texas gave it back to
> > them.
> > > > >>>>>>>> So, in other words, they got to take everything?
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Why is the Episcopal Church suing the Episcopal Diocese?
> > Aren't
> > > > they
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> on
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> the same side? I would think the Episcopal Church or Diocese
> > > would
> > > > >>>>>>>> be
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> suing
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> the breakaway folks...
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>  On Oct 20, 2014, at 6:00 PM, "Lynn Ronkainen" <
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> ichthys89 at comcast.net>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> The conservatives 'left' wanting to 'take everything'....
> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> SCourt > > of
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> TX gave it back to them... it's still not settled as you can
> > > see.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> The > TX
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> SCourt still fancies that TX is a Republic, IMNSHO...
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Lynn
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope
> > that
> > > > I >
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> have
> > > > >>>>>>>> not a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used
> > > everything
> > > > >>>>>>>> You
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> gave
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> me." attributed to Erma Bombeck
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Thomas Merton writes, "People may spend their whole lives
> > > > climbing
> > > > >>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top,
> that
> > > the
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> ladder
> > > > >>>>>>> is
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> leaning against the wrong wall."
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> "What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
> > > > >>>>>>>>> From: "Grace Cangialosi" <gracecan at gmail.com>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:54 PM
> > > > >>>>>>>>> To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] EC v. ED of Ft. Worth
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>  So is this Episcopal Church vs. Episcopal Diocese? Which
> > group
> > > > are
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> good guys?
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 5:26 PM, Roy Murphy <
> > roy.murphy at gmail.com>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> The Episcopal church won in the state district court and
> the >
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> appeals
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> court
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> but the TX Supreme Court ruled in favor of the former
> bishop
> > of
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Ft.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Worth.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> TEC appealed to SCOTUS. The brief is not a bad argument. It
> > has
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> already
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> gotten a few amicus curae briefs in support.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> SCOTUS hasn't yet decided whether to grant cert on the
> > case.
> > > > The
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> justices
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> will discuss it on 12/31 and decide whether to hear the
> case,
> > > > deny
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> request they hear it or hold it over for another conference.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2014 12:26 PM, "Jay Weigel" <
> > > jay.weigel at gmail.com>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Huh? Details, please.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>  On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Roy Murphy > >>>>> <
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> roy.murphy at gmail.com
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court docket says the case was distributed for
> > the
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 10/31
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> conference. We could hear further news on 11/1. Either
> grant,
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> deny
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> or
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> relist.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>