[Magdalen] Temporarily Lutheran

[James Oppenheimer]

I did indeed miss it.  Oh well.

What was changed?


James W. Oppenheimer
*“If you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things better
for people coming behind you, and you don’t do it, you're wasting your time
on this Earth.”  -- *Roberto Clemente

On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Call to Common Mission. Seriously, did you miss that? It was the successor
> to the Concordat, the one that finally got passed, that put us in full
> communion with ELCA.
>
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 3:23 PM, James Oppenheimer <
> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > CCM?
> >
> >
> >
> > James W. Oppenheimer
> > *“If you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things
> better
> > for people coming behind you, and you don’t do it, you're wasting your
> time
> > on this Earth.”  -- *Roberto Clemente
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Cantor03--- via Magdalen <
> > magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 9/15/2014 2:28:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > jay.weigel at gmail.com writes:
> > >
> > > I like  that the Lutherans are now eucharistically centered. The
> > Norwegian
> > > Lutherans of my childhood most certainly were  not.>>>
> > > I don't think most Upper Midwestern ELCA Lutherans feature the
> > > Eucharist as the main Sunday Liturgy.  Take for example, the
> > > Lutheran "Minneapolis Cathedral" - Central Lutheran Church on the
> > > edge of Downtown Minneapolis.  One can have the Eucharist there
> > > every Sunday, but not at the main services.
> > >
> > > The immigration from Norway was primarily during the
> > > "Pietist" era, which was fundamentally anti-clerical.  Since it
> required
> > > an ordained clergyman for presiding at the Eucharist, they were
> > > relatively "against the Eucharist" by default.
> > >
> > > The modern anti-CCM "Word Alone" Lutherans are essentially for
> > > lay presidency of the Eucharist, as a sort of final extension of the
> > > Pietist dislike of clergy.
> > >
> > > For that matter, I suppose a case could be made that Luther himself
> > > was anti-clerical.  He strongly eschewed the idea of priestly
> Sacrifice
> > > and the prevailing theology of "Alter Christus" with the celebrant
> > acting
> > > "in Persona Christi".  He wanted only the naked "Verbum" and held  that
> > > the Words of Institution alone were all that were necessary to effect
> > the
> > > Body and Blood.  He assumed that it was customary and salutary  that
> > > there be an ordained presider, but left unanswered whether this
> presider
> > > might be lay.
> > >
> > >
> > > David Strang.
> > >
> >
>