[Magdalen] Epiclesis.

[Jon Egger]

When I was in the RC laity, we were taught that epiclesis occurred when the
priest said "This is my body" and "This is my blood" NOT the way we do
it...which I love.

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Grace & peace,
Deacon Jon Egger



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On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:57 AM, <sally.davies at gmail.com> wrote:

> This got me curious, David! I checked and we have something of the sort in
> all four Eucharistic prayers. The first three have it after the Sanctus,
> the Fourth Eucharistic prayer a bit later. The Fourth version:
>
> "We ask you to send your Holy Spirit upon the offering of your holy Church.
> Gather into one all who
> share in these sacred mysteries, filling them with the Holy Spirit and
> confirming their faith in the truth,
> that together we may praise you and give you glory through your servant,
> Jesus Christ"
>
> The First Eucharistic Prayer has the words:
>
> "Hear us Father, through your Son Christ our Lord; through him accept our
> offering of thanks and praise,
> and send your Holy Spirit upon us and upon these gifts of bread and wine so
> that they may be to us his
> body and his blood"
>
> There are slight differences in each version which might mean something to
> a liturgy expert, but to me they all seem fair and square within the
> Anglican tradition of "consubstantiation". There's no implication that
> Christ is being re-sacrificed but neither is it a memorial as such; though
> all go on to include a Scriptural memorial paragraph, "Who, in the same
> night that he was betrayed, etc".
>
> Very interesting. I appreciate your interest in this and have taken to
> heart the discussion we had some years back about participation in the
> Eucharist being timeless. Recently I was studying Luke 22 with a Bible
> Study group and realised that the words of Jesus in that passage, "I shall
> not eat of [this Passover) again, until the Kingdom of God is fulfilled"
> could be heard as a promise to meet with us as we share in the Eucharist,,
> as well as looking forward to the Great Supper of the Lamb.
>
> BTW speaking of Catholics, the website I used for that study and will use
> again as it was very helpful, was the US Conference of Catholic Bishops,
> www.usccb.org. I think their text is the Contemporary English Version and
> there are some useful scholarly notes and cross references.
>
> Sally D
>
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 at 9:11 PM Cantor03--- via Magdalen <
> magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > Elsewhere there was a discussion with input from several conservative
> > Roman Catholics questioning the validity of the current RC Ordinary
> > Form Liturgy (the "Novus Ordo") which has been the norm since  Vatican-2.
> > These complaints always seem to center on "too much memorialism" and
> > not "enough Sacrifice".
> >
> > I am amused by this attitude since there is a glaring absence of an
> > epiclesis, in the Eucharistic Prayer ("Canon") where the Holy Spirit is
> > invoked  to
> > validate the Sacrament and also to bless the faithful and ensure their
> > full participation, in the old Latin Rite (the "Tridentine"/Extraordinary
> > Form
> > of the RC Liturgy).
> >
> > There are a couple of places in that Tridentine Liturgy where experts
> > say an epiclesis is "inferred" but not outright stated.  This is in
> > contrast
> > to all the Eastern Rites that always contain an epiclesis.
> >
> > So it seems Tridentines have little justification to point fingers at
> the
> > current Novus Ordo Liturgy, in which a complete epiclesis has been
> > placed into all four Eucharistic Canons.
> >
> > I'm not sure that ++Cranmer had a full epiclesis in the First and  Second
> > Prayer Books of Edward VI or that there was one in the later CofE 1662,
> > so long the standard in so many Anglican jurisdictions.
> >
> > However, there is an epiclesis, in all the Eucharistic Prayers of TEC
> '79
> > Prayer Book.
> >
> > Even the Lutherans have added an epiclesis to their bare "Verbum" of
> > the Eucharistic Prayer (ELCA).
> >
> >
> > David Strang.
> >
>