[Magdalen] right to bear arms

[Lynn Ronkainen]

It is interesting to watch the North East/ New England area discover this 
heritage. A prominent Episcopalian family (in CT I believe) filmed their 
family slave-owning history into a documentary and a decommissioned church 
in that dio has become a historic museum to the New England slave trade. In 
hearing more about this (it was high profile at a diocesan convention I 
attended as a vendor the year the documentary was released, and then played 
at several other dio conventions where I was also present) it also became 
clear that the origin of the abolitionist movement started 'up north', not 
as I had been taught and supposed/assumed because the 'northerners' wanted 
to correct this  depravity in their southern neighbors but because they had 
abandoned it and wanted it done elsewhere as well.  A lesson in how history 
can become like a game of 'Telephone' if we're not careful.

Lynn



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When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not a 
single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me." 
attributed to Erma Bombeck
 "Either Freedom for all or stop talking about Freedom at all" from a talk 
by Richard Rohr

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From: "Charles Wohlers" <charles.wohlers at verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 11:21 AM
To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
Subject: Re: [Magdalen] right to bear arms

> It should be noted that slavery was legal in all states *North* of the 
> Mason-Dixon line (other that Vermont!), with those states not outlawing it 
> until shortly after the Revolution. Doing genealogy uncovered that fact 
> that several of my wife's ancestors in Connecticut owned slaves. As did 
> some of mine, but they were in what became West Virginia, which was then 
> part of Virginia. Also, I have an old Book of Common Prayer in which the 
> owner recorded how he got rid of his slaves (he had ~8 of them) right 
> around the year 1800. The man was a prominent doctor living in Bristol, 
> Pa. - Pennsylvania didn't outlaw slavery until 1800 or shortly thereafter.
>
> Finally, it should also be noted that the majority of white people in the 
> South before the Civil War did not own slaves - slaves were expensive, so 
> only rich folk owned them. I have lots of ancestors who lived around 
> Fairmont, WV (part of Virginia until the Civil War), who were all poor 
> farmers. AFAIK, none of them owned slaves.
>
> Chad Wohlers
> Woodbury, VT USA
> chadwohl at satucket.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Sibyl Smirl
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 7:04 PM
> To: magdalen at herberthouse.org
> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] right to bear arms
>
> Nope.  You have to go a long way to get "the Right to own people" out of
> that compromise.  At that time, the states determined who could vote (I
> could not have done)(maybe still do: I had to wait to turn 21 before I
> could, in Kansas, it didn't change to 18 until later), and the slave
> states wanted their non-voters to be counted as full people so they'd
> have more representation in Congress.  The Abolitionists knew that
> slavery existed, and were _not_ going to allow it in the Federal
> Constitution, but couldn't do anything about it without a Civil War,
> which the nation couldn't afford right then (couldn't afford it in 1861,
> either, but it happened).
>
>
> On 12/11/15 4:46 PM, Scott Knitter wrote:
>> The right was assumed in the Three-Fifths Compromise. Take away the
>> free persons, "Indians," and those bound to Service for a Term of
>> Years, and who's left? "three fifths of all other Persons." Art. 1,
>> Sec. 2, Par. 3
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Sibyl Smirl <polycarpa3 at ckt.net> wrote:
>>> On 12/10/15 10:07 PM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just read a wonderful thought.
>>>>
>>>> Back when they wrote the Constitution,
>>>> the Founding Fathers said you could own a gun.
>>>> They also said you could own people.
>>>>
>>>> Dang. Why didn't *I* think of that?
>>>
>>>
>>> Our brother Louie put around a photo with that quote on Facebook 
>>> yesterday
>>> (In very poor grammar (Ebonics?  the photo was of a young Black man of 
>>> whom
>>> I've never heard otherwise, but then I'm not up on a lot of "pop 
>>> culture": I
>>> find it hard to believe that an English teacher sent that around).
>>>
>>> Anyway, the big hole in the quote is that there isn't _anything_ in the
>>> Constitution or the Bill of Rights (which is part of the Constitution) 
>>> about
>>> a Right to own people.  Whoever said it first ("Michael Che?" IIRC) knew 
>>> as
>>> little about the Constitution as he did about grammar.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sibyl Smirl
>>> I will take no bull from your house!  Psalms 50:9a
>>> mailto:polycarpa3 at ckt.net
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Sibyl Smirl
> I will take no bull from your house!  Psalms 50:9a
> mailto:polycarpa3 at ckt.net