[Magdalen] right to bear arms

Sat Dec 12 23:49:08 UTC 2015

hanks for the clarification and information Grace... I think maybe the film 
was making the rounds at both of the dio conventions I was at and I just 
thought that CT was the home to the family.
Lynn

website: www.ichthysdesigns.com

When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not a 
single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me." 
attributed to Erma Bombeck
 "Either Freedom for all or stop talking about Freedom at all" from a talk 
by Richard Rohr

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From: "Grace Cangialosi" <gracecan at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 3:28 PM
To: "Magdalen" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
Subject: Re: [Magdalen] right to bear arms

> Lynn, it was Rhode Island, and the book and video are titled "Traces of 
> the Trade." It's very powerful and includes some clips of former PB 
> Griswold and other folks speaking about the role of the church at the 
> time.
>
> On a slightly different note, I was quite surprised some years ago to 
> learn that there were Quakers who owned slaves. An African-American friend 
> mentioned quite casually a few years that his family had been owned by 
> Quakers here in Virginia. Took my breath away... Lee Smith's novel "On 
> Agate Hill" is the story of a young girl around the time of the Civil War 
> whose Quaker parents are opposed to slavery, while her uncle owns slaves. 
> Excellent book. (Well, I think all of Smith's books are excellent!)
>
> On December 12, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
> It is interesting to watch the North East/ New England area discover this
> heritage. A prominent Episcopalian family (in CT I believe) filmed their
> family slave-owning history into a documentary and a decommissioned church
> in that dio has become a historic museum to the New England slave trade. 
> In
> hearing more about this (it was high profile at a diocesan convention I
> attended as a vendor the year the documentary was released, and then 
> played
> at several other dio conventions where I was also present) it also became
> clear that the origin of the abolitionist movement started 'up north', not
> as I had been taught and supposed/assumed because the 'northerners' wanted
> to correct this  depravity in their southern neighbors but because they 
> had
> abandoned it and wanted it done elsewhere as well.  A lesson in how 
> history
> can become like a game of 'Telephone' if we're not careful.
>
> Lynn
>
>
>
> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>
> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not 
> a
> single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me."
> attributed to Erma Bombeck
> "Either Freedom for all or stop talking about Freedom at all" from a talk
> by Richard Rohr
>
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> From: "Charles Wohlers" <charles.wohlers at verizon.net>
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 11:21 AM
> To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] right to bear arms
>
>> It should be noted that slavery was legal in all states *North* of the
>> Mason-Dixon line (other that Vermont!), with those states not outlawing 
>> it
>> until shortly after the Revolution. Doing genealogy uncovered that fact
>> that several of my wife's ancestors in Connecticut owned slaves. As did
>> some of mine, but they were in what became West Virginia, which was then
>> part of Virginia. Also, I have an old Book of Common Prayer in which the
>> owner recorded how he got rid of his slaves (he had ~8 of them) right
>> around the year 1800. The man was a prominent doctor living in Bristol,
>> Pa. - Pennsylvania didn't outlaw slavery until 1800 or shortly 
>> thereafter.
>>
>> Finally, it should also be noted that the majority of white people in the
>> South before the Civil War did not own slaves - slaves were expensive, so
>> only rich folk owned them. I have lots of ancestors who lived around
>> Fairmont, WV (part of Virginia until the Civil War), who were all poor
>> farmers. AFAIK, none of them owned slaves.
>>
>> Chad Wohlers
>> Woodbury, VT USA
>> chadwohl at satucket.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Sibyl Smirl
>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 7:04 PM
>> To: magdalen at herberthouse.org
>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] right to bear arms
>>
>> Nope.  You have to go a long way to get "the Right to own people" out of
>> that compromise.  At that time, the states determined who could vote (I
>> could not have done)(maybe still do: I had to wait to turn 21 before I
>> could, in Kansas, it didn't change to 18 until later), and the slave
>> states wanted their non-voters to be counted as full people so they'd
>> have more representation in Congress.  The Abolitionists knew that
>> slavery existed, and were _not_ going to allow it in the Federal
>> Constitution, but couldn't do anything about it without a Civil War,
>> which the nation couldn't afford right then (couldn't afford it in 1861,
>> either, but it happened).
>>
>>
>> On 12/11/15 4:46 PM, Scott Knitter wrote:
>>> The right was assumed in the Three-Fifths Compromise. Take away the
>>> free persons, "Indians," and those bound to Service for a Term of
>>> Years, and who's left? "three fifths of all other Persons." Art. 1,
>>> Sec. 2, Par. 3
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Sibyl Smirl <polycarpa3 at ckt.net> wrote:
>>>> On 12/10/15 10:07 PM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just read a wonderful thought.
>>>>>
>>>>> Back when they wrote the Constitution,
>>>>> the Founding Fathers said you could own a gun.
>>>>> They also said you could own people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dang. Why didn't *I* think of that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Our brother Louie put around a photo with that quote on Facebook
>>>> yesterday
>>>> (In very poor grammar (Ebonics?  the photo was of a young Black man of
>>>> whom
>>>> I've never heard otherwise, but then I'm not up on a lot of "pop
>>>> culture": I
>>>> find it hard to believe that an English teacher sent that around).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, the big hole in the quote is that there isn't _anything_ in the
>>>> Constitution or the Bill of Rights (which is part of the Constitution)
>>>> about
>>>> a Right to own people.  Whoever said it first ("Michael Che?" IIRC) 
>>>> knew
>>>> as
>>>> little about the Constitution as he did about grammar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sibyl Smirl
>>>> I will take no bull from your house!  Psalms 50:9a
>>>> mailto:polycarpa3 at ckt.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Sibyl Smirl
>> I will take no bull from your house!  Psalms 50:9a
>> mailto:polycarpa3 at ckt.net
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