[Magdalen] right to bear arms

[Grace Cangialosi]

Well, Lynn, I think some of the family members may live in CT now; they
aren't all in RI anymore.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com>
wrote:

> hanks for the clarification and information Grace... I think maybe the
> film was making the rounds at both of the dio conventions I was at and I
> just thought that CT was the home to the family.
> Lynn
>
> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>
> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not
> a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me."
> attributed to Erma Bombeck
> "Either Freedom for all or stop talking about Freedom at all" from a talk
> by Richard Rohr
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Grace Cangialosi" <gracecan at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 3:28 PM
> To: "Magdalen" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] right to bear arms
>
> Lynn, it was Rhode Island, and the book and video are titled "Traces of
>> the Trade." It's very powerful and includes some clips of former PB
>> Griswold and other folks speaking about the role of the church at the time.
>>
>> On a slightly different note, I was quite surprised some years ago to
>> learn that there were Quakers who owned slaves. An African-American friend
>> mentioned quite casually a few years that his family had been owned by
>> Quakers here in Virginia. Took my breath away... Lee Smith's novel "On
>> Agate Hill" is the story of a young girl around the time of the Civil War
>> whose Quaker parents are opposed to slavery, while her uncle owns slaves.
>> Excellent book. (Well, I think all of Smith's books are excellent!)
>>
>> On December 12, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> It is interesting to watch the North East/ New England area discover this
>> heritage. A prominent Episcopalian family (in CT I believe) filmed their
>> family slave-owning history into a documentary and a decommissioned church
>> in that dio has become a historic museum to the New England slave trade.
>> In
>> hearing more about this (it was high profile at a diocesan convention I
>> attended as a vendor the year the documentary was released, and then
>> played
>> at several other dio conventions where I was also present) it also became
>> clear that the origin of the abolitionist movement started 'up north', not
>> as I had been taught and supposed/assumed because the 'northerners' wanted
>> to correct this  depravity in their southern neighbors but because they
>> had
>> abandoned it and wanted it done elsewhere as well.  A lesson in how
>> history
>> can become like a game of 'Telephone' if we're not careful.
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>>
>>
>> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>>
>> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have
>> not a
>> single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me."
>> attributed to Erma Bombeck
>> "Either Freedom for all or stop talking about Freedom at all" from a talk
>> by Richard Rohr
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Charles Wohlers" <charles.wohlers at verizon.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 11:21 AM
>> To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] right to bear arms
>>
>> It should be noted that slavery was legal in all states *North* of the
>>> Mason-Dixon line (other that Vermont!), with those states not outlawing
>>> it
>>> until shortly after the Revolution. Doing genealogy uncovered that fact
>>> that several of my wife's ancestors in Connecticut owned slaves. As did
>>> some of mine, but they were in what became West Virginia, which was then
>>> part of Virginia. Also, I have an old Book of Common Prayer in which the
>>> owner recorded how he got rid of his slaves (he had ~8 of them) right
>>> around the year 1800. The man was a prominent doctor living in Bristol,
>>> Pa. - Pennsylvania didn't outlaw slavery until 1800 or shortly
>>> thereafter.
>>>
>>> Finally, it should also be noted that the majority of white people in the
>>> South before the Civil War did not own slaves - slaves were expensive, so
>>> only rich folk owned them. I have lots of ancestors who lived around
>>> Fairmont, WV (part of Virginia until the Civil War), who were all poor
>>> farmers. AFAIK, none of them owned slaves.
>>>
>>> Chad Wohlers
>>> Woodbury, VT USA
>>> chadwohl at satucket.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Sibyl Smirl
>>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 7:04 PM
>>> To: magdalen at herberthouse.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] right to bear arms
>>>
>>> Nope.  You have to go a long way to get "the Right to own people" out of
>>> that compromise.  At that time, the states determined who could vote (I
>>> could not have done)(maybe still do: I had to wait to turn 21 before I
>>> could, in Kansas, it didn't change to 18 until later), and the slave
>>> states wanted their non-voters to be counted as full people so they'd
>>> have more representation in Congress.  The Abolitionists knew that
>>> slavery existed, and were _not_ going to allow it in the Federal
>>> Constitution, but couldn't do anything about it without a Civil War,
>>> which the nation couldn't afford right then (couldn't afford it in 1861,
>>> either, but it happened).
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/11/15 4:46 PM, Scott Knitter wrote:
>>>
>>>> The right was assumed in the Three-Fifths Compromise. Take away the
>>>> free persons, "Indians," and those bound to Service for a Term of
>>>> Years, and who's left? "three fifths of all other Persons." Art. 1,
>>>> Sec. 2, Par. 3
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Sibyl Smirl <polycarpa3 at ckt.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/10/15 10:07 PM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just read a wonderful thought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back when they wrote the Constitution,
>>>>>> the Founding Fathers said you could own a gun.
>>>>>> They also said you could own people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dang. Why didn't *I* think of that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Our brother Louie put around a photo with that quote on Facebook
>>>>> yesterday
>>>>> (In very poor grammar (Ebonics?  the photo was of a young Black man of
>>>>> whom
>>>>> I've never heard otherwise, but then I'm not up on a lot of "pop
>>>>> culture": I
>>>>> find it hard to believe that an English teacher sent that around).
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, the big hole in the quote is that there isn't _anything_ in the
>>>>> Constitution or the Bill of Rights (which is part of the Constitution)
>>>>> about
>>>>> a Right to own people.  Whoever said it first ("Michael Che?" IIRC)
>>>>> knew
>>>>> as
>>>>> little about the Constitution as he did about grammar.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sibyl Smirl
>>>>> I will take no bull from your house!  Psalms 50:9a
>>>>> mailto:polycarpa3 at ckt.net
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sibyl Smirl
>>> I will take no bull from your house!  Psalms 50:9a
>>> mailto:polycarpa3 at ckt.net
>>>
>>
>>
>>


-- 
Grace Cangialosi
Ruckersville, VA

*We must cry out against injustice or by our silence consent to it.
Dorothy Day*