[Magdalen] Here We Go Again.

[Grace Cangialosi]

The first "who" doesn't quite fit, rhythm-wise. "Who, with the F and S" has a different pattern than "With the F and the S, [she], etc.

And there's still "The Lord, the giver of life," which refers to the HS, not to Jesus.

But everyone's MMV, as they say. I wonder if a BCP revision will change any of this. I haven't looked at EOW.

> On Jul 6, 2015, at 8:32 PM, Ann Markle <ann.markle at aya.yale.edu> wrote:
> 
> "Who" -- again, more natural.  "Who proceeds from the father and the son;
> who with the father and the son is worshiped and glorified, who has spoken
> through the prophets...."
> 
> Ann
> 
> The Rev. Ann Markle
> Buffalo, NY
> ann.markle at aya.yale.edu
> blog:  www.onewildandpreciouslife.typepad.com
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> How about the Holy Spirit in the Nicene Creed?  A few years ago I heard
>> someone in a congregation substitute "she" in that part of the
>> Creed...there are just two instances of the pronoun. I tried very quietly
>> experimenting with that, but not if I was leading worship. I decided I
>> liked it and continued that private practice. Then I was blown away a few
>> months ago when I attended a midweek Eucharist/healing service. The priest,
>> a man who is generally more conservative than I, used the feminine pronouns
>> for the Holy Spirit in leading the Creed.
>> I asked him about it later, and he said he had just decided to do it
>> sometime before, without making a big deal out of it, and some people had
>> joined him, and some hadn't.
>> Of course, using the phrase "the Lord, the giver of life," with feminine
>> pronouns does feel a bit odd...
>> 
>> On July 6, 2015, at 6:00 PM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
>> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm. I heard it just a couple weeks ago. I was the only one I heard to say
>> "Her".
>> 
>> I thought most people ignore this stuff today.  Mind you I don't say
>> whether they should or not, but I just don't get the impression they worry
>> about it.
>> 
>> After all, we all know God is beyond gender and using the male pronoun is
>> better than saying "give It thanks and praise," which suggests the FSM or
>> some other, uh, entity.
>> 
>> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
>> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
>> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:41 AM, ME Michaud <michaudme at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I bet it's been twenty years or more since I've heard someone read/say
>>> 
>>> It is right to give him thanks and praise.
>>> 
>>> These changes are in the works. In the pews.
>>> -M
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Monday, July 6, 2015, Raewynne Whiteley <raewynne1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> And my other basic wish is to remove gendered language for people in
>> the
>>>> BCP - a minor change, but way way way overdue.  It would be nice to
>> have
>>> a
>>>> much wider range of metaphors for God as well, rather than the dominant
>>>> male ones, but let's start with people.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> I subscribe to the USA Prayer Book Society's "Mandate"
>>>>>> periodical.
>>> 
>>> There used to be a local publication called Mandate. It had nothing to
>>> do with the BCP, but was a classified service. Men seeking men.
>>