[Magdalen] Here We Go Again.

[Ann Markle]

"Who" -- again, more natural.  "Who proceeds from the father and the son;
who with the father and the son is worshiped and glorified, who has spoken
through the prophets...."

Ann

The Rev. Ann Markle
Buffalo, NY
ann.markle at aya.yale.edu
blog:  www.onewildandpreciouslife.typepad.com

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com> wrote:

> How about the Holy Spirit in the Nicene Creed?  A few years ago I heard
> someone in a congregation substitute "she" in that part of the
> Creed...there are just two instances of the pronoun. I tried very quietly
> experimenting with that, but not if I was leading worship. I decided I
> liked it and continued that private practice. Then I was blown away a few
> months ago when I attended a midweek Eucharist/healing service. The priest,
> a man who is generally more conservative than I, used the feminine pronouns
> for the Holy Spirit in leading the Creed.
> I asked him about it later, and he said he had just decided to do it
> sometime before, without making a big deal out of it, and some people had
> joined him, and some hadn't.
> Of course, using the phrase "the Lord, the giver of life," with feminine
> pronouns does feel a bit odd...
>
> On July 6, 2015, at 6:00 PM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hmm. I heard it just a couple weeks ago. I was the only one I heard to say
> "Her".
>
> I thought most people ignore this stuff today.  Mind you I don't say
> whether they should or not, but I just don't get the impression they worry
> about it.
>
> After all, we all know God is beyond gender and using the male pronoun is
> better than saying "give It thanks and praise," which suggests the FSM or
> some other, uh, entity.
>
> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:41 AM, ME Michaud <michaudme at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I bet it's been twenty years or more since I've heard someone read/say
> >
> > It is right to give him thanks and praise.
> >
> > These changes are in the works. In the pews.
> > -M
> >
> >
> > On Monday, July 6, 2015, Raewynne Whiteley <raewynne1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > And my other basic wish is to remove gendered language for people in
> the
> > > BCP - a minor change, but way way way overdue.  It would be nice to
> have
> > a
> > > much wider range of metaphors for God as well, rather than the dominant
> > > male ones, but let's start with people.
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > I subscribe to the USA Prayer Book Society's "Mandate"
> > > > > periodical.
> > >
> >
> > There used to be a local publication called Mandate. It had nothing to
> > do with the BCP, but was a classified service. Men seeking men.
> >
>