[Magdalen] Christine Jorgensen

[Jay Weigel]

As I understand it, intersex is a whole other thing which has to do with
being born with some of both sets of  sexual organs and isn't quite in the
same ballpark as being a trans person. The current/advanced thinking, and
that of the intersex community in general, is that the child born with such
should be allowed to grow up in the way *they* feel most comfortable, and
not *assigned* a gender at birth.

When I worked in the nursery in a relatively small town hospital, we had at
least one intersex baby during the short time (10 months) that I worked
there. We thought it was a girl until one of the nurses, while cleaning
during a diaper change, felt testes in the labia. Much freaking. Genetic
testing was done and I don't know what was eventually done after that
except that the (single) mom was referred to UT's Genetic Center. I think
there may have been one other born during my time in that nursery. The
frequency is about 1:1500, which I know because I got in an argument with
someone recently who claimed it was "incredibly rare" and I looked it up
<g> It's not THAT rare! (For comparison, Down syndrome is about 1:750) The
most famous intersex person I can think of is Lady Colin Campbell. Olympic
medalist Stella Walsh was apparently also an intersex person. There are a
lot of people who claim Brittney Griner is either male or intersex; however
Brittney herself identifies as a gay female and I take her at her word.
She, after all, would be the person who knows!

Jay, chiming in from another ballpark entirely

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com> wrote:

> And how does what was once referred to as hermaphrodite fit into this?
> Because is seems as though many refer to themselves 'trans' or 'intersex'
> these days too... and from reading in the news occasionally decisions to
> 'define' gender at birth with any kind of surgery is definitely on the way
> out in most medical circles.
>
> her搶aph斟o搞ite
>
> /h?r'mafr?dit/
>
> noun: hermaphrodite; plural noun: hermaphrodites
> 1. a person or animal having both male and female sex organs or other
> sexual characteristics, either abnormally or (in the case of some
> organisms) as the natural condition.
> synonyms: androgyne, intersex, epicene; More
> bisexual, gynandromorph
>
> adjective: hermaphrodite
> 1. of or denoting a person, animal, or plant having both male and female
> sex organs or other sexual characteristics.
> "hermaphrodite creatures in classical sculpture"
> synonyms: androgynous, intersex, hermaphroditic, hermaphroditical,
> epicene; bisexual
> "hermaphrodite creatures"
>
> (and I still wonder about all the estrogen in our water and in 'plastics',
> especially that which has lined the inside of cans for 40 years,  and if
> has played into  any and all of these categories, including transsexual and
> transvestite.
>
> Lynn
>
> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>
> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not
> a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me."
> attributed to Erma Bombeck
>
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> From: "Cantor03--- via Magdalen" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 12:47 PM
> To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> Cc: <Cantor03 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Christine Jorgensen
>
>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/4/2015 12:48:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> gracecan at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> David,
>>
>> I heard someone on NPR the other day say that  transsexual and transgender
>> aren't the same thing, but I forget the  distinction. Maybe transsexuals
>> have had the surgical procedures and  transgenders haven't?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Definition of  "transsexual"
>>
>>
>> noun
>> 1.
>> a person having a strong desire to assume the physical characteristicsand
>> gender role of the opposite sex.
>>
>> 2.
>> a person who has undergone hormone treatment and surgery toattain the
>> physical characteristics of the opposite sex.
>>
>> adjective
>> 3.
>> of, relating to, or characteristic of transsexuals.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Transgender
>>    *   Transgender  (sometimes shortened to trans or TG) people are those
>> whose psychological self  ("gender identity") differs from the social
>> expectations for the physical sex  they were born with. To understand
>> this, one
>> must understand the difference  between biological sex, which is one's
>> body
>> (genitals, chromosomes, ect.), and  social gender, which refers to levels
>> of
>> masculinity and femininity. Often,  society conflates sex and gender,
>> viewing
>> them as the same thing. But, gender  and sex are not the same
>> thing.Transgender people are those whose  psychological self ("gender
>> identity") differs
>> from the social expectations  for the physical sex they were born with.
>> For
>> example, a female with a  masculine gender identity or who identifies as a
>> man.
>>    *   An  umbrella term for transsexuals, cross-dressers (transvestites),
>> transgenderists, gender queers, and people who identify as neither female
>> nor  male and/or as neither a man or as a woman. Transgender is not a
>> sexual
>> orientation;transgender people may have any sexual orientation. It is
>> important to acknowledge that while some people may fit under this
>> definition
>> of transgender, they may not identify as such.
>> These  are a couple of definitions I've found:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> David  Strang.
>>
>>
>>