[Magdalen] Proposed Property Settlement in Episcopal Litigation Turned Down

[Zephonites at aol.com]

Lynn
 
O I wish we had "Government owned" churches. Would you not agree  Roger? 
 
I would love to give all five of my medieval buildings to the Government  
(Mit Handkuss). 
 
And I am sure there are other C of E clergy that would echo my  sentiment.
 
I think you will find however that the way clergy are paid would make  a 
much better moral case for the C of E (who own the buildings legally anyway)  
hanging on to them. 
 
Unlike in the USA, clergy in England do not have to negotiate their salary  
as I believe you do in the USA. 
 
Yes C of E parishes pay a quota (which is voluntary) to the Diocese but  
certainly in rural parishes this rarely covers the costs of the clergy. 
Pparish  clergy are generally all paid by the Church Commissioners and then they 
are in  turn paid by the Diocese. If a parish defaults on payment the Church  
Commissioners still pay the clergy of that parish. 
 
This is the great blessing in having the living.
 
So morally the C of E should be entitled to the building, in rural  
communities at least  as they have usually made financial input into the  running 
of the church often for a long time. Obcviously the big town Evangelical  
Churches like STAG in Cambridge and HTB in London are the exception.
 
Blessings
Martin
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In a message dated 16/06/2015 16:31:55 GMT Daylight Time,  
houstonklr at gmail.com writes:

Martin>(after all I guess SC raised the money for the trust  funds in the
> first  place and not the national church)

How  does the Anglican CofE view endowments to their government owned 
churches  Martin?

Lynn

website: www.ichthysdesigns.com

When I stand  before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not 
a 
single bit  of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me." 
attributed  to Erma  Bombeck

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From:  "Ginga Wilder" <gingawilder at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015  5:41 AM
To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
Subject: Re: [Magdalen]  Proposed Property Settlement in Episcopal 
Litigation 
Turned  Down

> Martin,
> Mark Lawrence's breakaway church has not made  a response.  To my 
knowledge
> the proposal remains on the table.  As far as motives, reasons, thinking 
of
> the Lawrence leadership, I  cannot speak for them.  You may read their
> response and Canon Jim  Lewis' comments on their webpage.
>
>  http://www.diosc.com/sys/index.php
>
> Ginga
>
> On  Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 12:17 AM, Zephonites--- via Magdalen <
>  magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
>
>>  Ginga
>>
>> Totally agree. I used to be head oft eh Group  Patent Dept at Reckitt and
>> Colman and I would always tell  management that the only winners in such 
a
>> situation are the  external lawyers.
>>
>> However all is not lost - the  parties are talking and this may be an
>> opening gambit from both  sides. This is often the way settlements go
>>
>> You might  find that SC will relinguish the name if the trust funds go 
>>  with
>> them (after all I guess SC raised the money for the trust  funds in the
>> first  place and not the national  church)
>>
>> Blessings
>>  Martin
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 16/06/2015  01:05:36 GMT Daylight Time,
>> gingawilder at gmail.com  writes:
>>
>> You  know, I 'knew' the breakaways would  turn this down.  And, here I 
>> am,
>> feeling  crestfallen.  How silly of me.  It would have been SO  GOOD to  
be
>> rid of the fruitless litigation.    SIGH.
>>
>> Ginga
>>
>>