[Magdalen] Bp. Wright OKs same sex weddings

[Zephonites at aol.com]

Sally
 
You make some good points Thank you
 
Blessings
Martin
 
 
In a message dated 27/06/2015 18:41:44 GMT Daylight Time,  
sally.davies at gmail.com writes:

Hi  Martin

I understand that there are strong feelings on this subject.  It's one that
I have struggled with; not for a moment with the question of  what it means
to be gay or whether gay people should have the same rights  as others to
love, comfort and security, but with what the Scripture  says.

There are some very helpful articles around that one can read,  from both
perspectives, and I think it's good that we all read them,  perhaps with a
special focus on those whose views differ from our own, in  order to
encourage respect for that difference.

President Obama  mentioned that and I feel he was right to do so.

As to Moloch, those  with a firmer grasp of Biblical history can correct me,
but I had the  understanding that worshippers of Moloch would sacrifice
their children to  placate this demon God. So I don't find that an accurate
or fair analogy,  even if Moses lived at the time when Moloch worship was
extant in the  region (not sure that he did).

As it has often been said, if you are  against gay marriage, then don't
marry a gay person. Etc. The Bible is not  strong on human rights either,
but that does not mean that laws governing  human rights are not pleasing to
God in many ways.

I feel for gay  people who - in an effort to be obedient to their
understanding of God's  will - have struggled for years with the pain of
loneliness and celibacy  that they would not have chosen, had a different
interpretation of  Scripture been hegemonic as it were. Or those who have
conducted their  romantic and sexual lives in the shadows and become used to
thinking of  their sexuality as disordered and sinful. Such people naturally
have an  investment in resisting this change, which does not mean their
arguments  are invalid per se, but does muddy the waters, considerably.

YM clearly  does V, and that's OK, but I would personally prefer it if we
don't try to  offend each other here. We all respect the Scripture but we
don't all read  it in the same way. And as far as I'm aware, it's still OK
to be an  Anglican (Episcopalian) without affirming the "inerrancy" of
Scripture or  denying that context can be critical as we wrestle with the
Scriptures, Old  and New. We do not (yet) have a Covenant nor do we bow to a
Magisterium.  Rather, we share common prayer and worship, within the
embracing shelter of  Tradition, Scripture and Reason.

Sally D

On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 at  11:46 AM Zephonites--- via Magdalen <
magdalen at herberthouse.org>  wrote:

>
> David
>
> Interesting this article by  Matthew Parris - a self confessed gay man
>
>
>  
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/as-a-gay-atheist-i-want-to-
>  see-the-church-oppose-same-sex-marriage/
>  
<http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/as-a-gay-atheist-i-want-to-see-the-church-oppose-same-sex-marriage/>
>
>
>
>  I liked this comment:
>
> Would  it have occurred for a  moment to Moses (let alone God) that he’d
> better defer to   Moloch-worship because that’s what most of the 
Israelites
> wanted  to  do?
>
> Blessings
> Martin
>
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> In  a message dated 26/06/2015  21:24:36 GMT Daylight Time,
> fleenerj at gmail.com   writes:
>
>  http://www.edwm.org/news_and_events.html
>
> Read what my  bishop  has to say.  He is a relatively new bishop, and
>  unabashedly  progressive.
> Judy
>
> On Fri, Jun 26,  2015 at 3:02 PM, Cantor03--- via  Magdalen <
>  magdalen at herberthouse.org>  wrote:
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> >
>  >
> > In a message dated 6/26/2015 2:08:39 P.M.  Eastern  Daylight Time,
> > jhandsfield at att.net writes:
> >
>  > I  love  my bishop.>>>>
> >
> > I  don't think he was the  only one in the upper levels of church
>  authority
> > approving the  SCOTUS decision today.
>  >
> > I am convinced that She approved this,  as  well.
> >
> > In another of a series of mystical experiences  I've  had involving
> > the BVM, I happened to watch an in depth  travelogue  about Lourdes
> > last night.
> >
>  > I've always tended to  dismiss Lourdes as a sort of  honky-tonk
> > locale in the Pyrenees with a  lot of crutches  and wheelchairs.
> > But I was quite amazed with this   travelogue.  Lourdes positively
> > exudes spirituality.   I'm  sorry I didn't go there when I lived  in
> > Europe to  experience the  ambience first hand.
> >
> > Anyway,  there were a number of scenes at  the shrine and in the
> >  nearby villages featuring rainbow bunting.   I got shivers up  my  
spine,
> > and couldn't escape the feeling that  She  was telling me something.
> >
> > She was.  The SCOTUS  was  Her mouthpiece today.
> >
> > YMMV, of course, but  I know what I  know.
> >
> >
> > David   Strang.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>  --
> Judy Fleener,  ObJN
> Western  Michigan
>
>