[Magdalen] Conscience's clause

[Zephonites at aol.com]

But in the UK, you cannot as a vicar say no to a male/female couple wishing 
 to get married, who are either single or one or both are widowed.
 
One prison chaplain explained it like this: He had to marry  a man who had 
murdered his three previous wives and was serving time  in prison to his 
fourth wife (and she knew the man's history) even though the  chaplain 
vehemently opposed the marriage. (I guess a bit like the women who is  trying to 
marry Charles Manson)
 
Had the man been divorced and one of his previous wives was still living,  
then the chaplian could have refused
 
Blessings
Martin
 
 
In a message dated 29/06/2015 19:01:19 GMT Daylight Time,  
revcphillips at gmail.com writes:

I  understand that I can say no to any couple wishing to be married, Just  
as
there have been male/female couples I have said "no" to, I imagine  there
would be gay couples. If I were a judge, this would be a different  matter.
My preference would be for clergy to be "out of" the marriage  business, and
provide blessings on unions, much as we do baptisms... in the  main Sunday
service....

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 12:51 PM,  Zephonites--- via Magdalen <
magdalen at herberthouse.org>  wrote:

> Michael
>
> I heard when I was in Long Island  that the Bishop there now requires his
> clergy to perform gay  marriages
>
> Does that mean you don't have a conscience clause  then in the USA
>
> Blessings
>  Martin
>
>
> In a message dated 29/06/2015 15:32:27 GMT  Summer Time,
> jguthrie at pipeline.com writes:
>
> From:  ME  Michaud
>
> >My understanding is that when clergy  marry a couple they  are
> >doing so with a license from the  State. That is, all marriages  are
> >civil marriages (though  some are blessed by the clergy).
>
> And  as long as that is  the case, no one can serious make the case that
> there's
> real  separation of church and state in the U.S. (especially true of right
>  wingers who claim that government is hostile to religion --put them in  
the
> nincompoop department).
>
> Cheers,
> Jim   Guthrie
>
>
>


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