[Magdalen] whose theology is this?

[Jay Weigel]

We got a whole different sermon today at Reformation, focusing on both
Abraham and Sarah and Jesus' directive to "let him take up his cross and
follow me." Our pastor suggested that it is so easy to say "Yes, but..."
and challenged us to give *that* up for Lent.

On Sunday, March 1, 2015, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, Jay.  I do.  And, yes, I have counseled many others with similar
> injury.  I do think I was less rudely outspoken with this man today, and I
> still got my points said.  Talking here is helping with my sense of shame,
> which I do know is part and parcel, yet most irrational.
>
> Thanks,
> Ginga
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > Ginga, one does not heal from PTSD (for that is what you have) easily or
> > even completely. You have probably counseled clients to that effect, but
> > it's hard to counsel oneself. Be gently with yourself and recognize that.
> >
> > That said, I would have been horrified myself and might even have walked
> > out, or at the very least have said something not polite. It seems that
> the
> > older I get, the less tolerance i have for what I consider bovine
> > excrement, to put it politely. I'm afraid I'm going to become an
> > intolerable old woman.
> >
> > On Sunday, March 1, 2015, Marion Thompson <marionwhitevale at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ginga, it will take you quite a while to heal completely, from deep
> > inside
> > > out, after the trauma of those long years.
> > >
> > > Marion, a pilgrim   ... today my sail I lift ....
> > >
> > > On 3/1/2015 5:43 PM, Ginga Wilder wrote:
> > >
> > >> Thank you, Eleanor and Marion.  I am realizing that this man's
> teaching
> > >> has
> > >> retraumatized me.  I honestly thought I had moved on from the awful
> > abuse
> > >> rendered upon Episcopalians during the early 90s through 2012 in South
> > >> Carolina.  Whew!  Breathing in, breathing out.
> > >>
> > >> Ginga
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Eleanor Braun <
> eleanor.braun at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>  I do not understand the notion of only helping the neighbor we can
> see
> > or
> > >>> who lives near us.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jesus tells the parable of the Good Samaritan in response to the
> > lawyer's
> > >>> question, who is my neighbor.  Now there are many ways to interpret
> the
> > >>> parable, but it speaks to me in a way that says my neighbor is
> > everyone,
> > >>> even the "other", the despised ones.
> > >>>
> > >>> It is unconscionable to me to suggest that those of us in the US and
> > the
> > >>> West, who have so much, should *only* be concerned about those across
> > the
> > >>> street.  When there is such a crying need for basic medical care,
> > >>> education, clean water and sanitation, and basic food security, we
> must
> > >>> care as much for our neighbor in Honduras, in Sierra Leone, and in
> > India
> > >>> as
> > >>> we do for those in our zip code.
> > >>>
> > >>> As for not concerning ourselves with politics, I also disagree.  In
> > order
> > >>> to satisfy the mandates of Matthew 25, we can do some of it through
> > >>> charity, but we cannot make a substantive difference until we change
> > the
> > >>> structure of society so that all may enjoy God's abundance.
> > >>>
> > >>> Readings:  Ezekiel 34: 2-3 <http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=292248538>
> > >>> Isaiah
> > >>> 10:1-3 <http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=292248653>
> > >>>
> > >>> Eleanor
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>  Our supply clergy this morning was from another diocese...a very
> > liberal
> > >>>> diocese....but I don't think this is liberal thought.  He taught
> Adult
> > >>>> CE
> > >>>> and preached.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> His premise this morning, among other things was that 'we really
> > cannot
> > >>>> change the world.  We do not need to concern ourselves with the
> world
> > >>>> beyond our neighborhood.  Rather than give money to support
> ministries
> > >>>>
> > >>> like
> > >>>
> > >>>> ERD, we should simply walk across the street and meet the need of
> our
> > >>>> neighbor.  (His example was giving money to a particular person in a
> > 3rd
> > >>>> world country, rather than my ERD example, but the point is the
> same.)
> > >>>>
> > >>> He
> > >>>
> > >>>> went on to declare that from a theological perspective, we do not
> need
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> concern ourselves with politics...or even care about politics
> because
> > we
> > >>>> cannot make a difference or change the world.  It was a one way
> > >>>> street...meet the need before you and ignore/don't care about
> anything
> > >>>> beyond.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I behaved badly.  He spoke down to us as of we were the Episcopal
> > >>>>
> > >>> bumpkins
> > >>>
> > >>>> in SC and I called him on it.  Now I'm having a major shame attack,
> > even
> > >>>> though more than a few people thanked me....that has just made it
> > worse
> > >>>> because my behavior was so similar to how nack in the mid 2000s, I
> > >>>> confronted the the teaching of the ultra conservative priests at St.
> > >>>> Paul's.  I'm not sure this makes any sense and I am still upset.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So, what think the theological gurus in the pub (all of us) about
> this
> > >>>> theology??
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>> Ginga
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >
> >
>