[Magdalen] whose theology is this?

[Ginga Wilder]

Yes, Jay.  I do.  And, yes, I have counseled many others with similar
injury.  I do think I was less rudely outspoken with this man today, and I
still got my points said.  Talking here is helping with my sense of shame,
which I do know is part and parcel, yet most irrational.

Thanks,
Ginga

On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ginga, one does not heal from PTSD (for that is what you have) easily or
> even completely. You have probably counseled clients to that effect, but
> it's hard to counsel oneself. Be gently with yourself and recognize that.
>
> That said, I would have been horrified myself and might even have walked
> out, or at the very least have said something not polite. It seems that the
> older I get, the less tolerance i have for what I consider bovine
> excrement, to put it politely. I'm afraid I'm going to become an
> intolerable old woman.
>
> On Sunday, March 1, 2015, Marion Thompson <marionwhitevale at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Ginga, it will take you quite a while to heal completely, from deep
> inside
> > out, after the trauma of those long years.
> >
> > Marion, a pilgrim   ... today my sail I lift ....
> >
> > On 3/1/2015 5:43 PM, Ginga Wilder wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you, Eleanor and Marion.  I am realizing that this man's teaching
> >> has
> >> retraumatized me.  I honestly thought I had moved on from the awful
> abuse
> >> rendered upon Episcopalians during the early 90s through 2012 in South
> >> Carolina.  Whew!  Breathing in, breathing out.
> >>
> >> Ginga
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Eleanor Braun <eleanor.braun at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>  I do not understand the notion of only helping the neighbor we can see
> or
> >>> who lives near us.
> >>>
> >>> Jesus tells the parable of the Good Samaritan in response to the
> lawyer's
> >>> question, who is my neighbor.  Now there are many ways to interpret the
> >>> parable, but it speaks to me in a way that says my neighbor is
> everyone,
> >>> even the "other", the despised ones.
> >>>
> >>> It is unconscionable to me to suggest that those of us in the US and
> the
> >>> West, who have so much, should *only* be concerned about those across
> the
> >>> street.  When there is such a crying need for basic medical care,
> >>> education, clean water and sanitation, and basic food security, we must
> >>> care as much for our neighbor in Honduras, in Sierra Leone, and in
> India
> >>> as
> >>> we do for those in our zip code.
> >>>
> >>> As for not concerning ourselves with politics, I also disagree.  In
> order
> >>> to satisfy the mandates of Matthew 25, we can do some of it through
> >>> charity, but we cannot make a substantive difference until we change
> the
> >>> structure of society so that all may enjoy God's abundance.
> >>>
> >>> Readings:  Ezekiel 34: 2-3 <http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=292248538>
> >>> Isaiah
> >>> 10:1-3 <http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=292248653>
> >>>
> >>> Eleanor
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Our supply clergy this morning was from another diocese...a very
> liberal
> >>>> diocese....but I don't think this is liberal thought.  He taught Adult
> >>>> CE
> >>>> and preached.
> >>>>
> >>>> His premise this morning, among other things was that 'we really
> cannot
> >>>> change the world.  We do not need to concern ourselves with the world
> >>>> beyond our neighborhood.  Rather than give money to support ministries
> >>>>
> >>> like
> >>>
> >>>> ERD, we should simply walk across the street and meet the need of our
> >>>> neighbor.  (His example was giving money to a particular person in a
> 3rd
> >>>> world country, rather than my ERD example, but the point is the same.)
> >>>>
> >>> He
> >>>
> >>>> went on to declare that from a theological perspective, we do not need
> >>>> to
> >>>> concern ourselves with politics...or even care about politics because
> we
> >>>> cannot make a difference or change the world.  It was a one way
> >>>> street...meet the need before you and ignore/don't care about anything
> >>>> beyond.
> >>>>
> >>>> I behaved badly.  He spoke down to us as of we were the Episcopal
> >>>>
> >>> bumpkins
> >>>
> >>>> in SC and I called him on it.  Now I'm having a major shame attack,
> even
> >>>> though more than a few people thanked me....that has just made it
> worse
> >>>> because my behavior was so similar to how nack in the mid 2000s, I
> >>>> confronted the the teaching of the ultra conservative priests at St.
> >>>> Paul's.  I'm not sure this makes any sense and I am still upset.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, what think the theological gurus in the pub (all of us) about this
> >>>> theology??
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Ginga
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
>