[Magdalen] prayers for my former parish

[Jay Weigel]

I'm still a member there, I guess, because I never "moved my letter",
whatever that means. My son still goes there now and then and two of my
kids were baptized and confirmed there. My daughter is on the fence about
it, she loves the place but I can guarantee that if little Napolion comes
back she will never set foot in it.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Jay, I agree with Marion and think you need to let the principals work it
> out.
> Are you still a member there with voting privileges? In that case, you
> have the same right to speak up as anyone else in the parish
>
> > On Mar 2, 2015, at 9:41 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Some of the people who want the former guy back are very powerful and
> LOUD
> > and can be threatening to people who are quiet or shy. I spoke up on FB
> and
> > said I didn't think it was appropriate to splatter the church's business
> > there and that's probably why she messaged me. I'm not particularly
> > intimidated by these people and never was. I also pointed out to her that
> > she could e-mail the Bp. and nobody would know.
> >
> >> On Monday, March 2, 2015, Marion Thompson <marionwhitevale at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I dunno.  Sounds like a lot of triangulation going on.  Former parish,
> >> eh?  ... why would unknown people be urging *you* to call the bishop.
> Why
> >> don't they do it???
> >>
> >> Marion, a pilgrim
> >>
> >>> On 3/2/2015 9:19 PM, Jay Weigel wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Okay, so I had a chat with the senior warden of All Saints who is an
> old
> >>> friend and here's what's happening. They *had* a PIC, appointed by the
> >>> Bp.,
> >>> and the vestry had voted to call him, with the Bp's permission. So last
> >>> week he called the sr. warden and asked to speak to her privately and
> it
> >>> turned out he was giving his two weeks' notice to accept an
> interimship at
> >>> another parish. So they were back to square one. It was right after
> that
> >>> that this other mess started. She suspects that although she had asked
> the
> >>> vestry to keep the whole thing private, someone, and she is pretty sure
> >>> she
> >>> knows who, had leaked the info to someone who is very close to the
> former
> >>> rector.  She is extremely upset with the person trumpeting it all over
> >>> Facebook. So am I, and I would unfriend him except that I want to stay
> on
> >>> top of what's happening. She did say that the Bp. is a man to be
> reckoned
> >>> with. I also have received a message from someone I don't know
> encouraging
> >>> me to contact the Bp. and let my feelings be known. I may have to do
> that
> >>> after all.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jay.weigel at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well, it's worse than I thought, apparently the guy leading the
> campaign
> >>>> is back in town. :-(
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com
> >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jay.weigel at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Since I'm not absolutely sure what's going on I don't want to stick my
> >>>>> own oar in. I just really hope the bishop isn't a man easily swayed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com
> >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gingawilder at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jay,
> >>>>>> The bishop needs to know your friends' reservations.  Also, I feel
> sure
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> bishop would ask questions about this man's previous tenure in the
> >>>>>> parish.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ginga
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com
> >>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jay.weigel at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have just learned via a Facebook post that a former rector of the
> >>>>>> parish
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I belonged to in Tennessee for many years has offered to serve as
> >>>>>> interim
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> for a year. Now this may be seen by some as a gracious offer, but
> >>>>>> IMNSHO it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> is extremely self-serving. The place is currently apparently in a
> huge
> >>>>>> mess
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> both financially and spiritually following the departure of the
> >>>>>> previous
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> rector, and AFAIK has a priest-in-charge appointed by the bishop
> >>>>>>> rather
> >>>>>>> than an interim. (I'm not totally up on church politics, but this
> is
> >>>>>> what I
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> gleaned on my last visit there on the occasion of my late ex's
> >>>>>> memorial.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The PIC is a very nice guy. Also some of my old friends, who were
> >>>>>> seriously
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> wounded by the previous rector now offering his services but
> soldiered
> >>>>>>> faithfully on, are currently on the vestry.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I don't know what the protocol for such a thing is, but I think it
> is
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>> Very Bad Idea. The guy IMNSHO has a serious Napoleon complex (yes,
> he
> >>>>>> is a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> short little dude and he *really* likes to throw his weight around)
> >>>>>> and I
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> honestly believe he sees himself as riding in on a white horse to
> >>>>>> "save"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the place. I know there is a certain faction within the parish that
> >>>>>> would
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> just LOVE to see him back (he left to become headmaster of an
> >>>>>>> Episcopal
> >>>>>>> school in NC) but I also know that there are others who might very
> >>>>>>> well
> >>>>>>> leave, and I strongly suspect that it would keep my daughter and
> her
> >>>>>> family
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> from returning, or that they will be among those leaving. I am
> >>>>>>> devoutly
> >>>>>>> hoping that God, the bishop, and the vestry will say no. In any
> case,
> >>>>>>> prayers are requested for All Saints,' Morristown, TN.
> >>
>