[Magdalen] More Clergy DWI

[Jay Weigel]

Well, since the whole thing has to do with HONESTY, you can't really say
one program works over another. If the person in question isn't being
honest with themselves nothing is going to work until they are. That's the
whole situation as I see it.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This is interesting, Jim, and a similar conversation has been taking place
> on another list I'm on. It has been dealing heavily with the Heather Cook
> situation, and a couple of the list members who are in recovery have posted
> articles on various aspects of addiction. There was at least one that
> called into question the AA model, not saying it doesn't work, but
> emphasizing that isn't the only way to go, depending on the individual.
>
> On March 19, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Jim Guthrie <jguthrie at pipeline.com> wrote:
>
> I realize that some here will denounce the heresy, but Chris Hayes on MSNBC
> alerted me to an article in the Atlantic magazine
>
> "The Surprising Failures of 12 Steps
>
> "How a pseudoscientific, religious organization birthed the most trusted
> method
> of addiction treatment
>
> "Say you’ve been diagnosed with a serious, life-altering illness or
> psychological condition. In lieu of medication, psychotherapy, or a
> combination
> thereof, your doctor prescribes nightly meetings with a group of similarly
> afflicted individuals, and a set of 12 non-medical guidelines for
> recovery, half
> of which require direct appeals to God. What would you do?"
>
> See more at:
>
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/the-surprising-failures-of-12-steps/284616/
>
> Cheers,
> Jim Guthrie
>
>