[Magdalen] More Clergy DWI

[Catharine Phillips]

I commend Richard Rohr's Breathing Under Water: Spirituality and the Twelve
Steps. Well done. Well written. Also the blog: 10-11-12.org.


On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Susan Hagen <susanvhagen at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm finding this conversation especially interesting since I've recently
> seen two articles questioning the effectiveness of AA.
>
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/03/the-irrationality-of-alcoholics-anonymous/386255/
>
> http://aeon.co/magazine/health/the-aa-is-out-of-step-with-research-on-addiction/
>
> I wonder whether more people would be willing to at least try treatment
> aimed at moderating their drinking and harm reduction rather than (at least
> initially) committing to a complete, lifelong abstinence.  Is anyone
> familial with the naltrexone treament described?
>
> Susan
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Jim G - I did not realize that your stake in this conversation was based
> > on court ordered , or otherwise  mandated AA.  I have no experience with
> > that and so my remarks on 12 step groups are based solely on 'the
> program'
> > helping people who want to be there and their experiences, sometimes
> > successful, sometimes not.
> >
> > *Any* court ordered recovery program is only as effective as the person's
> > desire to change their behavior, IMO. And that goes from mandated
> > 'programs' to prison.
> >
> > Lynn
> >
> > My email has changed to: houstonKLR at gmail.com
> >
> > website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
> >
> > When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have
> not
> > a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave
> me."
> > attributed to Erma Bombeck
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Jim Guthrie" <jguthrie at pipeline.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 5:43 AM
> > To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Magdalen] More Clergy DWI
> >
> >  If something *works* for one person in 1,000, it is a success for that
> 1.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not if the other 999 have been "sentenced" to AA and go out and get
> drunk
> >> and it results in fatalities. Or even one . . .
> >>
> >> Courts need to supervise, and professionals need to be assigned. I would
> >> say that AA is probably good for people who join voluntarily and without
> >> criminally-related matters due to their alcohol addiction, but it may
> well
> >> be an utter disaster for those assigned to it from the court system.
> >>
> >> I also suspect that given America's reliance on the automobile, judges
> >> tend to be lenient in DWI cases, where they wouldn't think twice about a
> >> long prison sentence v an NA group for illegal drug use.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Jim
> >>
> >>
>
>
> --
> Before enlightenment pay bills, do laundry.  After enlightenment pay bills,
> do laundry.
>



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*Catharine Phillips, MA, MDiv, CADC*


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