[Magdalen] More Clergy DWI

[Susan Hagen]

No, it blocks the positive effects of alcohol or opiates rather than
causing negative effects, reducing cravings.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Is that the drug formerly marketed as Antabuse?  Some alcoholics in the
> past drank anyway, thinking the resulting nausea and vomiting were a small
> price to pay.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Susan Hagen <susanvhagen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm finding this conversation especially interesting since I've recently
> > seen two articles questioning the effectiveness of AA.
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/03/the-irrationality-of-alcoholics-anonymous/386255/
> >
> >
> http://aeon.co/magazine/health/the-aa-is-out-of-step-with-research-on-addiction/
> >
> > I wonder whether more people would be willing to at least try treatment
> > aimed at moderating their drinking and harm reduction rather than (at
> least
> > initially) committing to a complete, lifelong abstinence.  Is anyone
> > familial with the naltrexone treament described?
> >
> > Susan
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Jim G - I did not realize that your stake in this conversation was
> based
> > > on court ordered , or otherwise  mandated AA.  I have no experience
> with
> > > that and so my remarks on 12 step groups are based solely on 'the
> > program'
> > > helping people who want to be there and their experiences, sometimes
> > > successful, sometimes not.
> > >
> > > *Any* court ordered recovery program is only as effective as the
> person's
> > > desire to change their behavior, IMO. And that goes from mandated
> > > 'programs' to prison.
> > >
> > > Lynn
> > >
> > > My email has changed to: houstonKLR at gmail.com
> > >
> > > website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
> > >
> > > When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have
> > not
> > > a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave
> > me."
> > > attributed to Erma Bombeck
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > From: "Jim Guthrie" <jguthrie at pipeline.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 5:43 AM
> > > To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Magdalen] More Clergy DWI
> > >
> > >  If something *works* for one person in 1,000, it is a success for that
> > 1.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Not if the other 999 have been "sentenced" to AA and go out and get
> > drunk
> > >> and it results in fatalities. Or even one . . .
> > >>
> > >> Courts need to supervise, and professionals need to be assigned. I
> would
> > >> say that AA is probably good for people who join voluntarily and
> without
> > >> criminally-related matters due to their alcohol addiction, but it may
> > well
> > >> be an utter disaster for those assigned to it from the court system.
> > >>
> > >> I also suspect that given America's reliance on the automobile, judges
> > >> tend to be lenient in DWI cases, where they wouldn't think twice
> about a
> > >> long prison sentence v an NA group for illegal drug use.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Jim
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Before enlightenment pay bills, do laundry.  After enlightenment pay
> bills,
> > do laundry.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Grace Cangialosi
> Ruckersville, VA
>
> It's a good thing Mary didn't have to wait for a Doctrine of the
> Incarnation
> before she said "Yes" to God.
>



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