[Magdalen] More Clergy DWI

[Molly Wolf]

AA specifically says that people may need outside psychological help and should accept it.  Anyone who thinks otherwise has misunderstood AA.  It's not a fix-it program, but a support group for people who are trying to address addiction as a spiritual problem.

Molly

The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. -- Mark Twain

> On Mar 23, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Cantor03--- via Magdalen <magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
> 
> Another problem with AA is that the program attracts a lot of  attendees
> who have substantial psychiatric problems.  I have listened to  endless
> numbers of these types, and the Pavlovian response from listeners
> is, "It'll work if you work the program"  
> 
> This is pure crap.  AA is not designed to be a psychiatric clinic  for
> the psychotic.  No amount of "working the program" will do this  type
> of person any good until the impaired psychiatric aspects are also
> treated.
> 
> David Strang.
> 
> 
> In a message dated 3/21/2015 10:54:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> jguthrie at pipeline.com writes:
> 
>> On Fri,  Mar 20, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> 
>> IMNSHO, AA is damaged by judges who order DWI defendants to  attend
>> meetings. The defendants don't want to be there, period, and  are often
>> disruptive. AA is a program of *attraction*, not coercion,  and says so
>> itself. AA has been too damn nice about taking these  people, and I
>> understand why, but it's time they stand up and say "No  more!" If a judge
>> wouldn't order someone found guilty of driving under  the influence of
> pills
>> or heroin to an NA group, then that judge damn  well shouldn't be ordering
>> the same person found guilty of DWI to AA.  Send 'em to rehab, or send 'em
>> to jail. That is all.
>> 
>> Grumpily,
> 
> Bingo!
> 
> Jim  Guthrie
>