[Magdalen] More Clergy DWI

[James Oppenheimer-Crawford]

Every so often the powers that be declare open season on AA, as if they
somehow are responsible for the ills of the world.

Obviously they are not for everybody.

AA is designed to help drunks not to drink.  It sure has a lot more
capabilities, but at the end of the day, that's really all it is for.

TA talks a lot about "ain't it awful" interactions where folks can just go
on and on about how terrible something is.  They have no solutions.

James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
*“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Cantor03--- via Magdalen <
magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:

> Another problem with AA is that the program attracts a lot of  attendees
> who have substantial psychiatric problems.  I have listened to  endless
> numbers of these types, and the Pavlovian response from listeners
> is, "It'll work if you work the program"
>
> This is pure crap.  AA is not designed to be a psychiatric clinic  for
> the psychotic.  No amount of "working the program" will do this  type
> of person any good until the impaired psychiatric aspects are also
> treated.
>
> David Strang.
>
>
> In a message dated 3/21/2015 10:54:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jguthrie at pipeline.com writes:
>
> On Fri,  Mar 20, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > IMNSHO, AA is damaged by judges who order DWI defendants to  attend
> > meetings. The defendants don't want to be there, period, and  are often
> > disruptive. AA is a program of *attraction*, not coercion,  and says so
> > itself. AA has been too damn nice about taking these  people, and I
> > understand why, but it's time they stand up and say "No  more!" If a
> judge
> > wouldn't order someone found guilty of driving under  the influence of
> pills
> > or heroin to an NA group, then that judge damn  well shouldn't be
> ordering
> > the same person found guilty of DWI to AA.  Send 'em to rehab, or send
> 'em
> > to jail. That is all.
> >
> >  Grumpily,
>
> Bingo!
>
> Jim  Guthrie
>
>