[Magdalen] Michigan & the UP....Re: Time is -- uh ....

Tue Nov 3 13:06:17 UTC 2015

Oh yes. It was a long time ago...

> On Nov 2, 2015, at 9:25 PM, "Lynn Ronkainen" <houstonklr at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The Soo Locks are the gateway to Lake Superior. Before 'the bridge' car ferries were used.
> Lynn
> 
> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
> 
> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me." attributed to Erma Bombeck
> "Either Freedom for all or stop talking about Freedom at all" from a talk by Richard Rohr
> 
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> From: "Grace Cangialosi" <gracecan at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 8:12 PM
> To: "magdalen" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Michigan & the UP....Re: Time is -- uh ....
> 
>> Very interesting, Lynn--thanks!  I've only been to the UP once, years ago
>> when we went to North Dakota to visit my father's family.  I remember going
>> through the locks in Sault Ste. Marie--this was before the bridge--and a
>> trip, I think, to an old iron mine. Is there a place called Iron
>> Mountain? What I remember most is that after we got inside, the guide
>> turned out the lights briefly so we could experience the total darkness.We
>> did!
>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> From: "Grace Cangialosi" <gracecan at gmail.com>
>>> 
>>>> Lynn, how did the UP end up as part of Michigan instead of Wisconsin?
>>>> https://yoopersteez.com/post/why-the-upper-peninsula-is-not-part-of-wisconsin
>>> 
>>> a quick look:
>>> On June 15, 1836, President Andrew Jackson signed a bill that first
>>> recognized Michigan as a state. However, Michigan would have to concede the
>>> Toledo Strip to Ohio, but was given the western three quarters of the Upper
>>> Peninsula in return (most of which borders Wisconsin along the Menominee
>>> River).
>>> 
>>> At first, Michigan rejected the offer partly out of pride and feeling that
>>> the Upper Peninsula was a worthless region. As their financial crisis
>>> lingered on they would have been left out of surplus government money if
>>> they had remained a territory rather than a state. Michigan accepted the
>>> terms in December in Ann Arbor.
>>> 
>>> When the Toledo War ended it was considered that Ohio had "won". This
>>> belief changed in the 1840s when it was discovered that the Upper Peninsula
>>> was a vast region of resources including copper and iron ore. Considered to
>>> have produced more mineral wealth than the California Gold Rush, the Upper
>>> Peninsula supplied 90% of the United States copper supply by the 1860s and
>>> was the largest supplier of iron ore by the 1890s.
>>> 
>>> Had Michigan won the Toledo War they would have acquire the Toledo Strip,
>>> meaning that the Upper Peninsula probably would have become a part of the
>>> Wisconsin Territory and later a part of the State of Wisconsin.
>>> 
>>> Michigan was finally admitted into the Union on January 26, 1837 as the
>>> 26th state with the Upper Peninsula included.
>>> 
>>> ..
>>> 
>>> Quite frankly, I'm pretty stoked that Michigan has the 16,452 square mile
>>> paradise of the Upper Peninsula rather than the 468 square mile region of
>>> the Toledo Strip. Clearly I'm biased, but I think we clearly got the better
>>> deal.
>>> 
>>> All you history buffs out there let me know if there is more info I should
>>> include.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>>> 
>>> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not
>>> a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me."
>>> attributed to Erma Bombeck
>>> "Either Freedom for all or stop talking about Freedom at all" from a talk
>>> by Richard Rohr
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Grace Cangialosi" <gracecan at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 7:15 PM
>>> To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Time is -- uh ....
>>> 
>>> Lynn, how did the UP end up as part of Michigan instead of Wisconsin?
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 2, 2015, at 7:27 PM, "Lynn Ronkainen" <houstonklr at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The UP/upper peninsula is the 'other' part of Michigan that is located
>>>>> between the Lakes Superior, Michigan and the top of Huron and between the
>>>>> state of Wisconsin to the west and  Canada to the east.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Isle Royal, almost to the Canadian Shore, in Lake Superior, is also part
>>>>> of Michigan. It is reachable by plane, ferry and private boat and is a
>>>>> State Park (famous for its study of wolves and moose). It is used for
>>>>> camping and most people 'pack' in and hike various trails across or around
>>>>> the island after they have been delivered by ferry or plane. There are a
>>>>> few cabins 'for rent' at the main boat landing point which require
>>>>> reservations which are sometimes doled out via a lottery system.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mackinac Island is also part of Michigan and located in the northern
>>>>> part of Lake Huron. It has no cars (with the exception of an EMC -
>>>>> emergency vehicle) and although open year round sees most of it's tourist
>>>>> traffic in summer and fall. People ride bikes there, and there are horse
>>>>> and buggy 'taxis'. There is a State Park there also in the footprint of a
>>>>> Fort from the American Revolution and the French and Indian wars (IIRC).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Most of the UP is on Central time, but the counties that are closest to
>>>>> Wisconsin are not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lynn
>>>>> 
>>>>> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have
>>>>> not a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave
>>>>> me." attributed to Erma Bombeck
>>>>> "Either Freedom for all or stop talking about Freedom at all" from a
>>>>> talk by Richard Rohr
>>>>> 
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Roger Stokes" <roger.stokes65 at btinternet.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 5:11 PM
>>>>> To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Time is -- uh ....
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 02/11/2015 20:09, Cantor03--- via Magdalen wrote:
>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/2/2015 2:21:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>>> houstonklr at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> in  Michigan's UP dusk following sunset in the summer, on the 'west
>>>>>>> coast'
>>>>>>> can  still be pink-horizon at 10;30  pm!
>>>>>>> Lynn>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Talk about strange hours for sunlight:  Only the four southwestern UP
>>>>>>> counties are in the Central Zone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Translation please, UP?  Is that the bit of Michigan which is North of
>>>>>> Wisconsin on the West side of Lake Michigan?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Roger
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Grace Cangialosi
>> Ruckersville, VA
>> 
>> *We must cry out against injustice or by our silence consent to it.
>> Dorothy Day*
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