[Magdalen] Talk for St. George's Cathedral, All Saints Celtic service

[Sibyl Smirl]

Instead of trying to *restrain* yourself, Allan, how about trying to 
*retrain* your attitude that lies under your actions and writing?

This post of yours gave me a nightmare last night, from your "speak ill 
of the dead" metaphor.  I hope that Jeff+ is not dead: he was fine ten 
months ago, but even young people can't count on having a tomorrow, much 
less ten more months.  I think Jeff+ has left the Lists for longer than 
ten months and then come back.  He used to leave for Lent and then stay 
off for much longer than Lent lasted, then resub.  Anyway, my nightmare 
was set like a "thriller", using the visual of the man in that snapshot 
from 2011 that his granddaughter posted on his FaceBook page. DREAM He 
got into something violent and got himself murdered. DREAM  It was not a 
good dream, and it woke me up.  When you carry hostility and grudges 
from long ago, you may make the evil you wish _happen_ in some space, 
like my dreams.

I like you, Allan, always have, even when I got mad at you and said 
things that I should have *restrained*.  I pray for you every time that 
I pray the Anglican List Prayer Summary.  But that doesn't mean that you 
don't have flaws, like this continually simmering anger you seem to 
bear, and malicious acts like telling the folks here that Jeff+ said 
angry things about them way back when, when he shouldn't have done, 
likely to stir up anger at him from them in the now.

Yes, I have flaws too.  And I'm still working on them.

On 11/8/15 8:37 PM, Allan Carr wrote:
> i suppose I should not speak ill of the dead, so as to speak, but there's
> no question that Jeffry Barnes and I carried on running arguments for at
> least a decade, maybe two decades, on this list and on TOL (the other list,
> otherwise known as StSam's). I was an All Saints, Pasadena, type liberal,
> and, for most years, he was a neocon, although he mellowed. But he was
> unhappy with the direction of the Episcopal Church and left it for a more
> congenial conservative environment in Orthodoxy.
>
> In those days, there was an understanding that people on one list would not
> discuss the other list in any manner. From time to time, he became a member
> of this list, left it, but then angrily expressed his contempt, on the
> other list, of the interests of the people here.
>
> I wasn't much impressed and sometimes was not charitable here. I apologize
> for not restraining myself better.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I miss Jeffry+. We once agreed that we were in different branches of the
>> same business. I used to love his posts about serving on the rez.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Mahoney, W. Michael <wmmah at stoneledge.net
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 11:49 PM, M J _Mike_ Logsdon <mjl at ix.netcom.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> another who served the remoteness of South Dakota.<<<
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeffry Barnes - last posted on TOL last December.  Was always one of our
>>> saner members.  A good priest.
>>>
>>> Mike M.
>>>
>>
>
>
>


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