[Magdalen] "Failing" parishes--Canada vs. USA

[Jay Weigel]

I don't know who's next on the roster. Fritz Trumbose (sp?) has been, but
he is taking a hiatus for the winter, saying he's "too old" to keep up the
schedule in the cold months. I did hear they are having a combined service
with Mt. Jackson next week but that's all I know.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Jay, do you know who the interim is at Woodstock/Mt. Jackson?
>
> > On Nov 24, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I liked the folks in Woodstock a lot. I certainly hope they find a priest
> > soon. It's awful being in limbo, as it were. My parish in TN is still
> > there, although they have a great interim now who, I think, is finally
> > getting the mess straightened out that the last full time rector left.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Oops!! I didn't read far enough!! For some reason, I thought you were
> >> saying who your interim was, Mike. I'm glad to hear Kathy is still in
> Luray.
> >>
> >> As to your question about a priest in Luray, Jay, I was referring to
> Scott
> >> Dillard, who has retired there. I think he may have supplied at the two
> >> churches I couldn't help last month; I had given them his name. He
> would be
> >> a good person for their interim, but I don't know if he'd have the
> energy.
> >> I know I don't.
> >>
> >> Sorry for the confusion...
> >>
> >>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 11:16 PM, "Mahoney, W. Michael" <
> >>> wmmah at stoneledge.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yup.  Cathy Tibbets.
> >>>
> >>> Good priest.
> >>>
> >>> Mike M
> >>>
> >>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I thought Luray had a female priest. At least when I looked at their
> >>>> website that was the impression I got. I'm so confused.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Grace Cangialosi <
> gracecan at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Do you know his name? What will they do this winter? I wouldn't mind
> >>>> doing
> >>>>> some supply over there, though there is a priest in Luray who could
> do
> >>>> it,
> >>>>> and he's much closer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:49 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> They do. The priest that has been doing it has taken a hiatus for
> the
> >>>>>> winter, saying he's too old to manage the roads. He preached a
> >>>> rip-roarer
> >>>>>> of a sermon on Sunday.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Grace Cangialosi <
> >> gracecan at gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jay, those parishes have been yoked for at least 30 years. They
> used
> >>>> to
> >>>>>>> have that crazy, alternating Sunday morning schedule, too.
> >>>>>>> Woodstock-Mt.Jackson-Woodstock. Do they still do that?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't know how long Beckford Parish in VA (Woodstock and Mt.
> >>>> Jackson)
> >>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>>> been yoked. There are a number of Lutheran and Methodist parishes
> >>>>>>>> hereabouts that are yoked also. It wasn't uncommon among the
> >>>> Methodists
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> TN either, but then, it never has been with them, where it was
> >> called
> >>>>>>>> "circuit riding" or a "circuit" and lay people picked up the
> slack.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Raewynne Whiteley <
> >>>>> raewynne1 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Re yoking parishes, my observation is that it is doomed to
> failure,
> >>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>>> it tends to prioritize building over ministry - they keep the
> >>>>> buildings
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> the administrative structures, but expect a single priest to
> serve
> >> 2
> >>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>> more parishes, and in most cases parishioners expect to get
> >>>> everything
> >>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>> had before for half the money.  Which is a recipe for burnout for
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> priest, and doesn't encourage the parish to be realistic about
> >> their
> >>>>>>> life
> >>>>>>>>> and ministry.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Jay Weigel <
> jay.weigel at gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Clarissa's prayer request led me to wonder about the varying
> >>>> position
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> TEC vs. the Anglican Church in Canada regarding what are
> >> considered
> >>>>>>>>>> "failing" parishes. Marion's recent experience, too, has made me
> >>>>>>> wonder.
> >>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>> realize it varies from diocese to diocese, but ISTM that the
> >>>> Canadian
> >>>>>>>>>> church, at least in these instances, is behaving far more like
> the
> >>>>> RCC
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>> abruptly closing these churches or pretty much setting them up
> to
> >>>>> fail
> >>>>>>>>> (in
> >>>>>>>>>> the case of Marion's) rather than encouraging them along or
> >>>> "yoking"
> >>>>>>>>> them.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Am I seeing things correctly, or is this a misperception?
> >>
>