[Magdalen] "Failing" parishes--Canada vs. USA

[Grace Cangialosi]

It's Trumbore. He was the rector in Luray when I was at the two churches near there. His wife hated me...

> On Nov 24, 2015, at 3:22 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't know who's next on the roster. Fritz Trumbose (sp?) has been, but
> he is taking a hiatus for the winter, saying he's "too old" to keep up the
> schedule in the cold months. I did hear they are having a combined service
> with Mt. Jackson next week but that's all I know.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Jay, do you know who the interim is at Woodstock/Mt. Jackson?
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I liked the folks in Woodstock a lot. I certainly hope they find a priest
>>> soon. It's awful being in limbo, as it were. My parish in TN is still
>>> there, although they have a great interim now who, I think, is finally
>>> getting the mess straightened out that the last full time rector left.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Oops!! I didn't read far enough!! For some reason, I thought you were
>>>> saying who your interim was, Mike. I'm glad to hear Kathy is still in
>> Luray.
>>>> 
>>>> As to your question about a priest in Luray, Jay, I was referring to
>> Scott
>>>> Dillard, who has retired there. I think he may have supplied at the two
>>>> churches I couldn't help last month; I had given them his name. He
>> would be
>>>> a good person for their interim, but I don't know if he'd have the
>> energy.
>>>> I know I don't.
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry for the confusion...
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 11:16 PM, "Mahoney, W. Michael" <
>>>>> wmmah at stoneledge.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yup.  Cathy Tibbets.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good priest.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike M
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I thought Luray had a female priest. At least when I looked at their
>>>>>> website that was the impression I got. I'm so confused.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Grace Cangialosi <
>> gracecan at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Do you know his name? What will they do this winter? I wouldn't mind
>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>> some supply over there, though there is a priest in Luray who could
>> do
>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>> and he's much closer.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:49 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> They do. The priest that has been doing it has taken a hiatus for
>> the
>>>>>>>> winter, saying he's too old to manage the roads. He preached a
>>>>>> rip-roarer
>>>>>>>> of a sermon on Sunday.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Grace Cangialosi <
>>>> gracecan at gmail.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Jay, those parishes have been yoked for at least 30 years. They
>> used
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> have that crazy, alternating Sunday morning schedule, too.
>>>>>>>>> Woodstock-Mt.Jackson-Woodstock. Do they still do that?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know how long Beckford Parish in VA (Woodstock and Mt.
>>>>>> Jackson)
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>> been yoked. There are a number of Lutheran and Methodist parishes
>>>>>>>>>> hereabouts that are yoked also. It wasn't uncommon among the
>>>>>> Methodists
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> TN either, but then, it never has been with them, where it was
>>>> called
>>>>>>>>>> "circuit riding" or a "circuit" and lay people picked up the
>> slack.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Raewynne Whiteley <
>>>>>>> raewynne1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Re yoking parishes, my observation is that it is doomed to
>> failure,
>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>> it tends to prioritize building over ministry - they keep the
>>>>>>> buildings
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> the administrative structures, but expect a single priest to
>> serve
>>>> 2
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> more parishes, and in most cases parishioners expect to get
>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> had before for half the money.  Which is a recipe for burnout for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> priest, and doesn't encourage the parish to be realistic about
>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>>>>> and ministry.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Jay Weigel <
>> jay.weigel at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Clarissa's prayer request led me to wonder about the varying
>>>>>> position
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> TEC vs. the Anglican Church in Canada regarding what are
>>>> considered
>>>>>>>>>>>> "failing" parishes. Marion's recent experience, too, has made me
>>>>>>>>> wonder.
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> realize it varies from diocese to diocese, but ISTM that the
>>>>>> Canadian
>>>>>>>>>>>> church, at least in these instances, is behaving far more like
>> the
>>>>>>> RCC
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> abruptly closing these churches or pretty much setting them up
>> to
>>>>>>> fail
>>>>>>>>>>> (in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the case of Marion's) rather than encouraging them along or
>>>>>> "yoking"
>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am I seeing things correctly, or is this a misperception?
>>