[Magdalen] VTS Chapel,

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In a message dated 10/10/2015 3:33:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jguthrie at pipeline.com writes:

Penitential order >>>>>>>
 
The Kyries have been retained in TEC '79, but the implication is
that they are penitential, and suitable for Lent.  Rome also has
them as a part of the Penitential Rite, but they are followed outside
of Lent by the Gloria.
 
However, my reading about their origin suggests that the Kyries
were originally part of a longer, not especially penitential litany
and that a better translation of them would be "Lord, hear our  prayer"
and "Christ hear out prayer," rather than "Lord have mercy" and
"Christ have mercy."
 
To view the meaning of the Kyries as part of such a prayerful litany  makes
more sense than the present situation where there is a waffling of
mood from opening hymn (often upbeat), the Kyries (penitential)
Gloria (upbeat with praise).  
 
At least IMHO.
 
 
David Strang.