[Magdalen] How to view Presiding Bishop Installation Service

Sun Oct 25 06:01:14 UTC 2015

I have respect for the folks, as my previous email shows.

James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
*“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Sally Davies <sally.davies at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Not TEC either but I am Anglican, have a Bishop, +Bethlehem Nopece, as well
> as an Archbishop, ++Thabo Makgabo; and I love and value both of these godly
> men.
>
> People who don't like the principle of Apostolic succession etc have many
> egalitarian churches and religions to choose from and good luck to them.
> I've tried a few of those myself and don't like them much, finding them not
> to be free of powerr struggles. People may also have done with organised
> religion altogether -  a position I well understand, but not one that we in
> South Africa can easily afford.
>
> Not everyone like what Bishops do, and not all Bishops deserve respect
> (though I haven't yet met that kind). But the structure of authority and of
> the Diocesan system works for us in many practical ways, and these leaders
> have, over time, had significant national impact that would not have been
> the case had they not had the leadership status that they do. Our South
> African bishops have also, over the years, led the way in ecumenism and
> promoting tolerance of other faiths, though there is still far to go with
> that.
>
> We just saw the potential impact of prominent Anglican leaders in the UK's
> Upper House where two former Archbishops - very different men - combined to
> lead something of a revolt against anti-family neocon legislation. Their
> leadership has impacted the lower house as well spurring something of a
> backbench revolt against this arrogant Cabinet. No other member of the
> House of Lords could have done that, I suspect, because unlike most of
> their Lordships the Lords Spiritual are widely known and respected.
>
> Our South African Archbishops have played a significant role in promoting
> spirituality and social justice and they still do - most recently
> lending headway along with other religious leaders to an unexpected wave of
> public support for our students who are protesting unaffordable fees. This
> was in the face of a lacklustre mainstream media who were busy constructing
> the same-old narrative familiar from the apartheid era - them and us,
> people wanting something for nothing, mindless violence of black people
> blah blah fishpaste.
>
> We pray for both our Metropolitan and our Diocesan Bishop every time we say
> the Prayers of the People together, and we honour them, and if that's
> sheeplike and docile then so be it. For us that shepherd's crook still
> means something real and important.
>
> Sally D
>
> On Sunday, October 25, 2015, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jay, you may not have noticed, but several people on this list are not
> > members of tec.
> >
> > Bishops are an anachronism we don't need anymore, and it is a bit of a
> > surprise to me to think that folks have any qualms with that.  Numerous
> > folks have expressed profound reservations about the wisdom of having
> > significant power resting in one induhvidual who may or may not know how
> to
> > handle it.
> >
> > I was brought up to refer to all ministers as Mr.,  and nobody ever
> really
> > made any overt changes in that.
> > We would never refer to Mr. McClean or Mr. Fitzgerald or Mr. Smith or any
> > of the other ministers in my church as any of that popish "father" title.
> > It's not an appropriate term in any case. Not today!
> >
> > You do not need to agree with me, and I respect that.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> > *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
> > except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com
> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > > Then why, Jim O., are you still an Episcopalian? Or am I mistaken and
> you
> > > are really a Unitarian after all?
> > >
> > > On Saturday, October 24, 2015, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
> > > oppenheimerjw at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > We all put our pants on one leg at a time. It's time to retire the
> > whole
> > > > bishop concept anyways.
> > > >
> > > > James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> > > > *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not
> > preserved,
> > > > except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Marion Thompson <
> > > > marionwhitevale at gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > *Mr* Curry?  Come on.
> > > > >
> > > > > Marion, a pilgrim
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/24/2015 2:31 AM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I have absolutely no information at all about the event. I just
> cut
> > > and
> > > > >> pasted the text out of the email I got.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The reason I posted it was because of the reference to the
> > "liturgical
> > > > >> buzz-word bingo." I was just sort of reading along and ran into
> that
> > > and
> > > > >> got a really big belly laugh.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I wish Mr. Curry all the best, but that show is not something I
> plan
> > > to
> > > > >> watch. I'm sure he'll get installed just fine whether or not I
> > watch.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> > > > >> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not
> > > > preserved,
> > > > >> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Grace Cangialosi <
> > > gracecan at gmail.com <javascript:;>
> > > > <javascript:;>>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Great, Jim, but according to the Cathedral website, the service
> > starts
> > > > at
> > > > >>> noon.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 9:53 PM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
> > > > >>> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I just got this in the weekly news email from my former parish:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> *Calling All Church Nerds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
> > > > >>>> *Presiding Bishop Installation: November 1st*
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Join us at 1 p.m. in the Newton Community Room to watch a live
> > > > simulcast
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> of
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> the Installation of the Presiding Bishop, The Rt. Rev. Michael
> > > Curry,
> > > > >>>> bishop of North Carolina. Lunch will be served and liturgical
> > > > buzz-word
> > > > >>>> bingo cards will be given to all who join us!!
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> [Christ Episcopal Church, Poughkeepsie, NY]
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> > > > >>>> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not
> > > > >>>> preserved,
> > > > >>>> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>> Grace Cangialosi
> > > > >>> Ruckersville, VA
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Keep Calm and Carry OM.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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