[Magdalen] Heather Cook

[Lynn Ronkainen]

Sibyl> If one man was responsible
> for the death of another, whether something like directly killing him in a 
> fight, or just "accidental", the family of the dead person would literally 
> adopt him in place of the missing person, and he would then have all the 
> rights and _OBLIGATIONS_ that the dead man had had, including "financial" 
> (or hunting, or whatever) support to the whole family.  I think the 
> forgiveness aspect of that might be kind of hard to do....

Interesting. By the time several generations had passed and this 'ritual' 
(?) was in full use, I would imagine that there was compassion on both sides 
and this also may have served as a deterrent to intentional harm. Perhaps 
Native Americans were less violent among themselves and possibly between 
themselves than we will ever know... in so many subtle ways, the arrival of 
the 'white man' / Western Europeans, changed this country from the first 
footfall.
The lives of native peoples seem to share the common thread of being 'at 
one' with nature and open to the changes and chances of nature (including 
new people showing up).... conflict arises when newcomers arrive with no 
regard to those who are already there. *Civilization* is what the Europeans 
thought they were bringing to this new world. A honed sociological structure 
of different time and place was what they brought. Their ability to dominate 
with power made them 'right'... hmmm sounds like politics. : (
Lynn

website: www.ichthysdesigns.com

When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not a 
single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me." 
attributed to Erma Bombeck
 "Either Freedom for all or stop talking about Freedom at all" from a talk 
by Richard Rohr

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Sibyl Smirl" <polycarpa3 at ckt.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:22 AM
To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Heather Cook

> The Lakota have an interesting ancient (pre-Europeanizing, at least) 
> custom or procedure relevant to this, actually rather Christian, except 
> that it wasn't in the name of Christ, but more like a social adaptation. I 
> think that I remember Jeffry+ talking about at least one instance of it in 
> modern times.  I'll be talking in masculine terms, since that's how I 
> heard it, and males had different obligations and rights in the (extended: 
> tio-spa-ye) family than females.  If one man was responsible for the death 
> of another, whether something like directly killing him in a fight, or 
> just "accidental", the family of the dead person would literally adopt him 
> in place of the missing person, and he would then have all the rights and 
> _OBLIGATIONS_ that the dead man had had, including "financial" (or 
> hunting, or whatever) support to the whole family.  I think the 
> forgiveness aspect of that might be kind of hard to do....
>
>
> On 10/29/15 9:17 AM, Jay Weigel wrote:
>> No, more like service or slavery to the family of the person she killed. 
>> In
>> this case, the family is reported to be in severe financial need.
>> Therefore, a large financial settlement would be part of the restoration.
>> And you chose to disregard the other part, about a menial job in the ER
>> (which would include cleaning up the blood and guts, and other scut 
>> work).
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Jim Guthrie <jguthrie at pipeline.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Jay Weigel
>>>
>>> On the other hand, restorative justice would, at least to me, demand 
>>> that
>>>> Heather Cook be liable for a rather large sum of money to Tom Palermo's
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ah, the three sheep and five goats for your loss system of justice, eh? 
>>> I
>>> realize were fighting in Afghanistan to preserve that way of life, but 
>>> I;m
>>> not sure we need to adopt it here as a consequence
>>>
>>> Don's post, I think is right on point, as was Jim Oppenheimer's 
>>> yesterday.
>>>
>>> As you know, I think the smarmiest people in the world are those with a
>>> DSM at home who like to pull it out and do amateur diagnoses, so I don’t
>>> want to get too deep into this, but . . .
>>>
>>> I some of the desire to "throw the book" at Heather Cook here reflective
>>> more of her betrayal, as TEC people who love value a range of things 
>>> about
>>> our church and its people?
>>>
>>> Obviously,it's not about justice for Heather Cook. Id she were treated
>>> like others in her circumstance, it would be far more likely she'd get 
>>> five
>>> years of probation than a 20 years sentence and 13 years probation.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jim Guthrie
>
>
> -- 
> Sibyl Smirl
> I will take no bull from your house!  Psalms 50:9a
> mailto:polycarpa3 at ckt.net