[Magdalen] immigration / migrant situation --->Re: Professional panhandlers; was Loaned out.

[Lynn Ronkainen]

In thinking about the current world migrant situation, I am interestedly 
following how and why other countries have vastly different policies and 
approaches to this dilemma and where 'they're coming from'.  I also think 
that many of the European countries that are taking in the migrants either 
have jobs for them or have social services in place that will enable them to 
settle into their new society with enough support to go on to be productive.

So many of the stories we hear in the US  about how balanced some of the W 
European and Scandinavian countries are with employment, social structure 
are wonderful, but they are also much smaller countries than the US with 
perhaps more government control of many aspects of society in regard to 
wager, medical costs, pensions, etc.

Our immigration 'debate' covers so many facets that are often not even 
brought into the light of day. So, many people are unaware of the 
complexity.

Legal immigrants
work visa with intent to have legal status
work or student visa holders who end up staying illegally
victims of persecution etc in foreign countries
victims of our own wars, or those emigrate as a reward for helping our 
government/military
illegal immigrants
minor children immigrants
children born here to illegal immigrants or visiting foreigners

The immigration complexity almost always dances with our social services 
funds which are under fire everywhere these days it seems.

Lynn



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From: "James Oppenheimer-Crawford" <oppenheimerjw at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 11:07 AM
To: "Magdalen at herberthouse.org" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Professional panhandlers; was Loaned out.

> I once heard an address where one of the points made was that the right
> LOVES all that we do to help the poor and destitute on the street. After
> all, if we do anything at all, it's that much less need, and they are just
> fine with that. Let the liberals dig into their pockets, so we don't have
> to.
>
> I remember when the bishop was visiting, he was chatting during dinner.
> "You know, if it were not for what we and the RCC do, all of New York City
> would just go down."
>
> Yep. All that is fine with the right. Just fine.
>
> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:55 AM, M J [Mike] Logsdon <mjl at ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
>
>> >>>I look at it this way (the Jewish standpoint, or at least that's my
>> understanding): charity is one's own responsibility. It begins in the
>> heart, and if one gives with the proper intent, what the recipient does
>> with the gift is not the giver's problem. The giver has done the good
>> deed.<<<
>>
>> Since Jesus was a Jew, I think you're onto something there.  :-)=
>>
>> Intent is definitely part of the picture.  One particularly hot evening, 
>> I
>> not only walked a fiver over to my friend at Nob Hill, I also handed him 
>> a
>> freshly bought, and warm, Gatorade.  I said "It's not cold, but hey, it's
>> gotta help!"  "God bless you, brother!"
>>